[Reader-list] Freedom of Expression my foot!

[Rahul Asthana]

Zainab,
OK,I read that.Well written.Can you please do me a
favor and read my posts in this thread and tell me
what do you think I stand for?
Also,can you please do me one more favour and tell me
what do you mean by nation?

This will help me in answering your question.
Best regards
Rahul 


--- zainab <zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl> wrote:

> I do not live in a war zone
> I live in a state of terror
> Terror which is perpetual
> which assumes various proportions. 
> There is terror inside of me,
> Outside of me
> Terror about who is lurking,
> In those distant shadows
> Is it my enemy or my foe?
> Oh, it is the security guard!
> He is here for my security.
> He has a naked gun in his hand
> The gun is ignorant, but the guard is not.
> The strength, might, and power of the gun gives me
> courage to muster up
> courage.
> I am feeling safe.
> My breath is calm and smooth.
> So is my heartbeat.
> I am safe.
> Suddenly, the guard advances towards me
> His naked gun is too.
> He comes close enough,
> looks into my eyes,
> peers. His looks are piercing.
> He says, ‘Sorry pal, I have to shoot you down.’
> ‘I have to shoot you so that you become (vulgar)
> news.’
> ‘The headlines should shriek, ‘We gunned down an
> enemy spy.’’
> ‘But I am a citizen of this country, not an enemy
> spy,’ I pleaded.
> ‘Why do you do this to me?
> What is my crime?
> What is my sin?’
> ‘Nuffing! Nffing’s your crime,
> Nuffing’s your sin’
> ‘You are simply going to be a martyr,
> A martyr of the Other Side
> And a source of security for Our Side
> You see buddy, there are many
> whom I have to protect,
> Many whom I have to make feel safe
> Many whom I have to assure that the world is a safe
> place to be in, to live
> in
> as long as I am there.
> So put your faith (and money) in me (and my guns)
> For as long as I am there,
> You will be there,
> Your progeny will be there,
> Safe, calm and soothed.
> And you, buddy, will help me comfort the souls of
> this world
> Souls, who are in un-rest and discomfort
> Because the Other is there,
> The enemy is there,
> And they (the perturbed and disturbed souls) need to
> be protected
> And made to feel secure.
> Your death shall bring them security.
> Your dead body shall unnerve their perturbed souls.
> Your death will be their joy.’
> ‘But what about tomorrow,’ I asked,
> ‘Who will you gun tomorrow?
> How long will you continue to make them feel safe,
> Feel secure, feel soothed?
> Will they ever cease to be insecure?’
> ‘No, not until I know,’ said he,
> ‘As long as there are weapons,
> As long as there are bombs,
> As long as there are walls (in people’s minds)
> As long as people don’t know
> (The unknown enemy is always greater than the known)
> As long as we don’t let them know,
> Fear will prevail (in their hearts and minds)
> The state of terror shall be
> And there shall be martyrs like you
> Whom we shall slay alive’
> Saying this, he shot a bullet into my skull
> And the next day, I, an unknown citizen, became
> known.
> I became The Enemy.
> 
> So now Rahul, I want to ask you a question - what is
> this nation that you
> talk about? What is this nation which cannot hear
> anything said against it?
> What is this nation that has the right to clamp down
> on me if I say
> something which is supposedly against it?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Zainab 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 05:40:32 -0700 (PDT), Rahul
> Asthana
> <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sadia:)
> > I am not asking you to ignore them.So when I am
> saying
> > something is against the essential nature of
> state,I
> > do not mean how the state exists in practice.I do
> not
> > mean all those things you listed because the
> > constitution specifically does not enable them.For
> eg.
> > The income equity as it exists is not the
> essential
> > nature of state.All your scenarios to me become
> straw
> > men.
> > Anyway, this is my last word on this.
> > Cheers.
> > Rahul
> > 
> > 
> > --- "S.Fatima" <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> No Rahul, the constitution and judiciary is
> >> certainly
> >> not against any citizen - I am not saying that
> the
> >> Dalit oppression exists because of the
> constitution.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am stressing on the practical aspect of
> judiciary/
> >> state since that's what counts. Nobody can
> endanger
> >> the essential nature of state if it is only a
> >> theoretical entity.
> >>
> >> Secular democracy means nothing as long as
> >> corruption
> >> and prejudice exists. We cannot ignore the
> practical
> >> examples.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear Sadia,
> >> > I think we are using and understanding the
> phrase
> >> > "essential nature of state" differently,so we
> are
> >> > ending up talking through each other.In your
> >> > usage,essential nature of state is how it
> exists
> >> in
> >> > practice.So if India is a country where dalits
> are
> >> > oppressed,which I agree with incidentally, then
> >> > perhaps in your terms the oppression of the
> dalits
> >> > is
> >> > the essential nature of the state.
> >> > But my usage is constitutional\legal.I wont say
> >> that
> >> > oppresion of dalits is an "essential nature of
> >> > Indian
> >> > State",because the constitution does not enable
> >> the
> >> > oppression,quite the contrary in fact.
> >> > So for me,the essential nature of Indian state
> is
> >> a
> >> > "secular democracy".In a secular democracy
> >> inequity
> >> > of
> >> > income may exist,and other "what ifs" that you
> >> have
> >> > mentioned may exist.That does not make them the
> >> > essential nature of the state,because the
> >> > constitution
> >> > does not specifically enable them.
> >> > My argument is not on the lines of what is more
> >> > important or who is more patriotic;because that
> is
> >> > just sidestepping from the current topic.
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> > Rahul
> >> >
> >> > --- "S.Fatima" <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Dear Rahul
> >> > > Of course I am not in favour of somebody's
> >> freedom
> 
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