[Reader-list] National Security

rashneek kher rashneek at gmail.com
Mon Sep 3 10:15:52 IST 2007 

Zainab,

Sorry to disturb but Kshemendra is only 50.
Old adage suits all fine

Look before you leap,and think before you speak(so it would been better if
would have known a lil before calling him a boy)
Since apart  from 4 of us rest all are superior human beings,I bow to thou
knowledge.

Regards

Rashneek


On 8/30/07, zainab <zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl> wrote:
>
> Dear Pawan, Kshmendra, Aditya and Rashneek,
>
> I am a Ph.D. student based in Bangalore. I do not have TV at my home. Last
> few days, I have been reading the reader-list with much more vigor than I
> have done in the last 5 years since I first subscribed to this list.
>
> Boys, I want to thank all of you sincerely for adding so much
> entertainment
> to my otherwise dull Ph.D., intellectual life. For all those who say that
> you are bores or should be ignored, I feel sorry for them and they need to
> be ignored. I certainly cannot afford to ignore all of you.
>
> God bless all of you and keep the good work coming/going!
>
> In anticipation,
>
> Zainab
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:38:33 -0700 (PDT), Kshmendra Kaul
> <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dear Sanjay
> >
> >   I am sure that your tongue-in-cheek cheek style has given you
> > satisfaction. Spiced with sarcasm which is a great device to use. (I
> will
> > myself be employing it in analysing the Shaina Anand transcript of your
> > conversation)
> >
> >   "Jashn-e-Azadi" is not a title SK invented. It might surprise you but
> it
> > has been used in the past a whole lot of times. Your sarcasm
> > notwithstanding, you know that. It's been used to celebrate India's
> > Independence. Not like Sanjay Kak's usage to support those who want to
> > excise India, carve it up, destroy it. Or so it turned out to be.
> >
> >   Am I overdramatising it? Sanjay you need to objectively take stock of
> > the support your film has received. Map out the profiles of those people
> > and evaluate what some of them stand for. SK you have provided them with
> > ammunition, they celebrate your film. You are a honest hero in their
> eyes.
> > A supporter for break-up of India.
> >
> >   Do you think they care that for you it was a journey of a particular
> > kind and that you would never claim that your film represents the
> totality
> > and all dimensions of the Kashmir issue? They will and have used you to
> > suit their narrow purposes. You Sanjay Kak are "complicit" as you
> yourself
> > admitted elsewhere.
> >
> >   Those "Azadi" or "Hurriyat" personalities are not the only ones, but
> > also those who I call the "la la landers", ostensibly loyal Indias but
> for
> > whom it is fashionable to attack India or support those who attack
> India,
> > whether by word or action or through a Sanjay Kak film.
> >
> >   Sanjay, look around, in fact look at the communication in SARAI. For
> the
> > moment forget those who have been attacking you, and pay attention to
> those
> > who have spoken in support of you. Evaluate their rationality and
> arguments
> > or plain dismissiveness/ridicule of reasoned argument. You will see some
> > worms coming out of the woodwork waving the flag of "Jashn-e-Azadi". As
> an
> > example look at the recent postings of M Yousuf.
> >
> >   SK your "translator" role  is a sadder aspect of you. It brings into
> > question your personal morality and integrity.
> >
> >   You did not go to Kashmir till 2003 and yet maintained enough
> > proficiency in Kashmiri to act as a "translator" seems a bit
> incredulous.
> > If you do not have the language skills in Kashmiri required of a
> > "translator" (especially for critical testimony in a Legal case) then
> you
> > are downright dishonest. It would impinge on credibility of your
> > character. A few hours of conversation with you in Kashmiri would make
> it
> > clear either way.
> >
> >   SK, you come out worse if you do have enough competence in Kashmiri to
> > act as a "translator".
> >
> >   A translation of "Ye kyah Korvu?" can be only be "What is this you
> > people have done" or singular in a respectful tone "What is this that
> you
> > have done". There is no other translation possible. Need I add more
> about
> > how SK reportedly translated it and the possible implications both on
> the
> > testimony and SK's honesty and motives?
> >
> >   That your "translation" was thrown out is hardly the issue, nor that
> > Geelani received the "death sentence".
> >
> >   Incidentally, I personally am totally and vehemently against the
> "death
> > sentence" in it's cold pronouncement or execution by any Institution for
> > whatever reason or crime.
> >
> >   Sanjay, here is what I propose if you are interested. Get in touch
> with
> > these KPs who have been hounding you. Offer them a screening of your
> > "Jash-e-Azadi". Offer to discuss your role as a film-maker. Listen to
> what
> > they have to say. Listen to their ventings.
> >
> >   You might be moved enough to make another film with an alternate
> > perspective. It might be another journey for you. One where you will not
> > be depending on some people making available "found footage"
> >
> >   It requires both moral and artistic courage.
> >
> >
> >   Kshmendra Kaul
> >
> >
> >
> > Sanjay Kak <kaksanjay at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   >
> >> Since the Sarai Reader list is fast emerging as the nerve centre for
> > keeping track of National (and Anti-National) interest, I thought it my
> > duty
> > to make some humble offerings:
> >
> > On August 15, 2007 Indian Independence Day (what some linguistically
> > misguided souls refer to as *Jashn-e-Azadi) *the Habitat centre in Delhi
> > was
> > once again the venue of something possibly troubling. A musical
> programme
> > called â€" yes, believe it or not â€" *Jashn-e-Azadi* was held
> > there. While they
> > said it was just some patriotic songs and ghazals and so on, this could
> be
> > subterfuge. After all there is a film with a similar title doing the
> > rounds which may be up to some mischief; and then there is this
> separatist
> > leader involved in something called *Safar-e-Azadi.* As a good citizen
> I'm
> > just sharing this information which others may want to act upon.
> >
> > I was also wondering: could my role in translating the Police phone tap
> on
> > the Delhi University lecturer SAR Geelani in the Parliament Attack case
> > also
> > be considered by the Sarai list a little differently? Though my
> > translation
> > from Kashmiri into English was summarily thrown out by the Trial Court
> on
> > the grounds that I was an interested party (as a member of the All India
> > Defence Committee for SAR Geelani), I mean, that court *did* pass a
> death
> > sentence on Shree Geelani, did it not? Could my lack of success as a
> > translator not be seen as a mark of my Patriotism? Just a thought,
> however
> > ghoulish...
> >
> > With thanks in anticipation
> >
> > Sanjay Kak
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