[Reader-list] Two Iqbals & One Fai

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Fri Sep 7 15:43:00 IST 2007 

Dear Gargi of Puedo Intellectual ,


woh suna chuke hain humein apna faisla,
har sawal ka jawab sawal se dene wale

kyon umeed karke udas karon khud ko,
jhooti ass banaee kwabon mein rehne wale

teri nasseb mein hai sirf sohrat-e-harf,
nahi milenge lafzoon ko mehsoo karne wale

woh laga gaye hain mujh par ilzam kya kya,
rooz fareb, hamesha se ghaat karne wale

koun koun se zakmon ko chupaoon main,
itne gehre hain mere ghaw nahi chupne wale

kya pyar karon ab to nafrat bhi nahi ati,
youn loot gaye humko humse bewafaee karne wale

bech deta hai zamana masihon ko 'Nazeer'
rehbar he the Isa ko saleeb tak pohchane wale



Hope you know the context in which the reply is sent ......and ofcourse this
is not my couplet ,,,,,

Pawan Durani



On 9/7/07, Gargi Sen <sen.gargi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear ARKP,
>
> Yeh kaisa dastan-e-tanhai hai yaron?
> Apke kahton me Rumi ko parhne ka ahsaas to hai lekin
> apke baton se Rumaniyat ki boo tak gayab?
>
>
> Apologies to the non-Hindustani speakers on the list as I am not capable
> of
> translating into English my own words without signifying, and thereby
> collapsing, the subtle but significant difference between say 'boo' and
> 'mehak' into smell.
>
> Gargi Sen
>
> On 07/09/2007, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kshmendra,
> > Faiz was a "dehria" communist,if you know what I
> > mean.Iqbal was an Islamist.Being a poet and a
> > philosopher is not contrary to being an Islamist.So,in
> > that sense,there can be no greater contrast.
> > Iqbal's philosophy of religious existentialism-
> > mard-e-momin, khudi etc was based on Islam.I do not
> > see the same celebration of "khudi" in Faiz.
> > Also,Iqbal was not sufi either.Iqbal wrote a lot in
> > Persian.Poetry in every language has a soul of its
> > own.When you write in Persian,you cant but help poets
> > like Hafez and Rumi whispering in your ear;and the
> > mysticism rubs off on you.That can be found in Iqbal
> > too.But,Iqbal's philosophy has nothing to do with
> > sufism.In fact,my impression is that in his dialog
> > Iblees o Jibrael, he is deriding sufis-
> > "Main khataktaa hoon dile yazdaan mein kaante ki
> > tarah,
> > tu faqat, alla hoo alla hoo ,alla hoo."
> > This IMO, is Nietzsche style existentialism.
> >
> > So,I really don't see much similarity in Faiz and
> > Iqbal besides the fact that they were the greatest
> > living Urdu poets of their times.
> >
> > regards
> > Rahul
> >
> >
> > --- Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Yasir
> > >
> > >   Long overdue. Didnt want to let it go.
> > >
> > >   Fleetingly addressing ".....they both received a
> > > similar religious education while growing up in
> > > Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that
> > > sounds."
> > >
> > >   For me there is not much of a contradiction. Both
> > > were revolutionaries. Both had a "sufi" bent of
> > > mind. Both seemed to celeberate "khudi".
> > >
> > >   In my opinion the seeming contradiction might
> > > arise out of a limited understanding of Iqbal. More
> > > philosopher than "Islamist" (also more Philosopher
> > > than Poet). A purist (a Salafi???) who primarily
> > > stuck to the finest precepts from the "Quran"
> > > (somewhat a Parvaizi). A "Shikvah" is not the work
> > > of an ordinary soul subscribing to the "expected".
> > >
> > >   In my opinion, Iqbal's politics (the egging on of
> > > Jinnah) was more towards "a Nation for Muslims"
> > > rather than an "Islamic (shariah) Nation". The 1940
> > > Lahore resolution and Jinnah's Constituent Assembly
> > > speech are just 2 pointers.
> > >
> > >   I am sure I sound quite disjointed. Khair.
> > >
> > >   Thanks for Maniza Naqvi's translation of "Hum
> > > Daikhaingay". I thought the "anthem", the challenge,
> > > the rousing up, the defiance is missing.
> > >
> > >   Here is an interesting 'variation' by Raamesh
> > > Gowri Raghavan. In his words:
> > >
> > >
> > >   Here is a transcreation based on Faiz A Faiz's
> > > revolutionary Urdu nazm 'Hum dekhenge', and written
> > > to the metre of another revolutionary song, the
> > > Marseillaise.
> > >
> > > "Destiny"
> > >
> > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > Oh! See the vile ziggurats crumble
> > > Reduced to ignominous dust!
> > > Reduced to ignominous dust!
> > > Can you hear the revolution
> > > Rumble in the angry streets
> > > It thunders fire and lightning
> > > To strike the oppressors' nemesis!
> > >
> > > Our destiny is come
> > > The day given to us
> > > Arise! Arise!
> > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > Must now be redeemed!
> > >
> > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > Look! From the temple of our faith
> > > The evil is now exorcised!
> > > The evil is now exorcised!
> > > The good are now restored to their
> > > High exaltations again!
> > > See the generals' stars stripped away
> > > And their thrones, their baubles destroyed!
> > >
> > > Our destiny is come
> > > The day given to us
> > > Arise! Arise!
> > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > Must now be redeemed!
> > >
> > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > Only His name shall prevail:
> > > Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> > > Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> > > He Oversees, is the Overseen
> > > His reign shall persist forever!
> > > For He is I and He is You
> > > He is I and He is You!
> > >
> > > Our destiny is come
> > > The day given to us
> > > Arise! Arise!
> > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > Must now be redeemed!
> > >
> > >
> > >   The original by Faiz"-
> > >
> > > "Hum dekhenge
> > > Lazim hai ke hum bhi dekhenge
> > > Wo din ke jis ka wada hai
> > > Jo looh-e-azl pe likha hai
> > > Hum dekhenge
> > >
> > > Jab zulm-o-sitam ke koh-e-garan
> > > Rooi ki tarah ud jayenge
> > > Hum mehkoomon ke paaon tale
> > > Ye dharti dhad dhad dhadakegi
> > > Aur ahl-e-hukum ke sar oopar
> > > Jab bijli kad kad kadakegi
> > > Hum dekhenge
> > >
> > > Jab arz-e-Khuda ke kaabe se
> > > Sab butth uthwae jayenge
> > > Hum ahl-e-safa mardood-e-haram
> > > Masnad pe bithaye jayenge
> > > Sab taaj uchhaale jayenge
> > > Sab takht giraaye jayenge
> > > Hum dekhenge
> > >
> > > Bas naam rahega Allah ka
> > > Jo ghayab bhi hai hazir bhi
> > > Jo naazir bhi hai manzar bhi
> > > Uthega an-al-Haq ka nara
> > > Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> > > Aur raaj karegi Khalq-e-Khuda
> > > Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> > >
> > >
> > >   Hum dekhenge
> > > Lazim hai ki hum bhi dekhenge
> > > Hum dekhenge"
> > >
> > >
> > >   Kshmendra Kaul
> > >
> > >
> > > yasir ~ <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   I cannot but fail to note and be heartened that
> > > both sides (or as
> > > many) find inspiration in Faiz Ahmed Faiz and
> > > Muhammad Iqbal -
> > > Kshemendra quoting Niya Shivaalaa, Cashmeeri quoting
> > > Meray Dil Meray
> > > Musafir and Rashneek going back to Baang e Dara.
> > >
> > > Besides the Kashmeer connection it is not an
> > > unimportant note that
> > > they both received a similar religious education
> > > while growing up in
> > > Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that
> > > sounds.
> > >
> > > I will let Iqbal Bano sound it - Faiz's Hum
> > > Dekhenge. it becoming an
> > > anthem during the zia years.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kiQjZePbc
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