[Reader-list] Two Iqbals & One Fai

[Gargi Sen]

Dear ARKP,

Yeh kaisa dastan-e-tanhai hai yaron?
Apke kahton me Rumi ko parhne ka ahsaas to hai lekin
apke baton se Rumaniyat ki boo tak gayab?


Apologies to the non-Hindustani speakers on the list as I am not capable of
translating into English my own words without signifying, and thereby
collapsing, the subtle but significant difference between say 'boo' and
'mehak' into smell.

Gargi Sen

On 07/09/2007, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Kshmendra,
> Faiz was a "dehria" communist,if you know what I
> mean.Iqbal was an Islamist.Being a poet and a
> philosopher is not contrary to being an Islamist.So,in
> that sense,there can be no greater contrast.
> Iqbal's philosophy of religious existentialism-
> mard-e-momin, khudi etc was based on Islam.I do not
> see the same celebration of "khudi" in Faiz.
> Also,Iqbal was not sufi either.Iqbal wrote a lot in
> Persian.Poetry in every language has a soul of its
> own.When you write in Persian,you cant but help poets
> like Hafez and Rumi whispering in your ear;and the
> mysticism rubs off on you.That can be found in Iqbal
> too.But,Iqbal's philosophy has nothing to do with
> sufism.In fact,my impression is that in his dialog
> Iblees o Jibrael, he is deriding sufis-
> "Main khataktaa hoon dile yazdaan mein kaante ki
> tarah,
> tu faqat, alla hoo alla hoo ,alla hoo."
> This IMO, is Nietzsche style existentialism.
>
> So,I really don't see much similarity in Faiz and
> Iqbal besides the fact that they were the greatest
> living Urdu poets of their times.
>
> regards
> Rahul
>
>
> --- Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Yasir
> >
> >   Long overdue. Didnt want to let it go.
> >
> >   Fleetingly addressing ".....they both received a
> > similar religious education while growing up in
> > Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that
> > sounds."
> >
> >   For me there is not much of a contradiction. Both
> > were revolutionaries. Both had a "sufi" bent of
> > mind. Both seemed to celeberate "khudi".
> >
> >   In my opinion the seeming contradiction might
> > arise out of a limited understanding of Iqbal. More
> > philosopher than "Islamist" (also more Philosopher
> > than Poet). A purist (a Salafi???) who primarily
> > stuck to the finest precepts from the "Quran"
> > (somewhat a Parvaizi). A "Shikvah" is not the work
> > of an ordinary soul subscribing to the "expected".
> >
> >   In my opinion, Iqbal's politics (the egging on of
> > Jinnah) was more towards "a Nation for Muslims"
> > rather than an "Islamic (shariah) Nation". The 1940
> > Lahore resolution and Jinnah's Constituent Assembly
> > speech are just 2 pointers.
> >
> >   I am sure I sound quite disjointed. Khair.
> >
> >   Thanks for Maniza Naqvi's translation of "Hum
> > Daikhaingay". I thought the "anthem", the challenge,
> > the rousing up, the defiance is missing.
> >
> >   Here is an interesting 'variation' by Raamesh
> > Gowri Raghavan. In his words:
> >
> >
> >   Here is a transcreation based on Faiz A Faiz's
> > revolutionary Urdu nazm 'Hum dekhenge', and written
> > to the metre of another revolutionary song, the
> > Marseillaise.
> >
> > "Destiny"
> >
> > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > Oh! See the vile ziggurats crumble
> > Reduced to ignominous dust!
> > Reduced to ignominous dust!
> > Can you hear the revolution
> > Rumble in the angry streets
> > It thunders fire and lightning
> > To strike the oppressors' nemesis!
> >
> > Our destiny is come
> > The day given to us
> > Arise! Arise!
> > For the cast-iron pledge
> > Must now be redeemed!
> >
> > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > Look! From the temple of our faith
> > The evil is now exorcised!
> > The evil is now exorcised!
> > The good are now restored to their
> > High exaltations again!
> > See the generals' stars stripped away
> > And their thrones, their baubles destroyed!
> >
> > Our destiny is come
> > The day given to us
> > Arise! Arise!
> > For the cast-iron pledge
> > Must now be redeemed!
> >
> > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > Only His name shall prevail:
> > Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> > Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> > He Oversees, is the Overseen
> > His reign shall persist forever!
> > For He is I and He is You
> > He is I and He is You!
> >
> > Our destiny is come
> > The day given to us
> > Arise! Arise!
> > For the cast-iron pledge
> > Must now be redeemed!
> >
> >
> >   The original by Faiz"-
> >
> > "Hum dekhenge
> > Lazim hai ke hum bhi dekhenge
> > Wo din ke jis ka wada hai
> > Jo looh-e-azl pe likha hai
> > Hum dekhenge
> >
> > Jab zulm-o-sitam ke koh-e-garan
> > Rooi ki tarah ud jayenge
> > Hum mehkoomon ke paaon tale
> > Ye dharti dhad dhad dhadakegi
> > Aur ahl-e-hukum ke sar oopar
> > Jab bijli kad kad kadakegi
> > Hum dekhenge
> >
> > Jab arz-e-Khuda ke kaabe se
> > Sab butth uthwae jayenge
> > Hum ahl-e-safa mardood-e-haram
> > Masnad pe bithaye jayenge
> > Sab taaj uchhaale jayenge
> > Sab takht giraaye jayenge
> > Hum dekhenge
> >
> > Bas naam rahega Allah ka
> > Jo ghayab bhi hai hazir bhi
> > Jo naazir bhi hai manzar bhi
> > Uthega an-al-Haq ka nara
> > Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> > Aur raaj karegi Khalq-e-Khuda
> > Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> >
> >
> >   Hum dekhenge
> > Lazim hai ki hum bhi dekhenge
> > Hum dekhenge"
> >
> >
> >   Kshmendra Kaul
> >
> >
> > yasir ~ <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   I cannot but fail to note and be heartened that
> > both sides (or as
> > many) find inspiration in Faiz Ahmed Faiz and
> > Muhammad Iqbal -
> > Kshemendra quoting Niya Shivaalaa, Cashmeeri quoting
> > Meray Dil Meray
> > Musafir and Rashneek going back to Baang e Dara.
> >
> > Besides the Kashmeer connection it is not an
> > unimportant note that
> > they both received a similar religious education
> > while growing up in
> > Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that
> > sounds.
> >
> > I will let Iqbal Bano sound it - Faiz's Hum
> > Dekhenge. it becoming an
> > anthem during the zia years.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kiQjZePbc
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