[Reader-list] Two Iqbals & One Fai

[S.Fatima]

Arre bhai, if you think it is pointless replying to
such people, and such people think that it is
pointless talking to you people, then why the hell
have you been wracking the brains of the Sarai readers
for so many months. 

I sometime feel that Sarai has been afflicted by some
sort of tumour or cancer which is simply not treatable
- no medicine seems to be working. It feels like a
part of your body which keeps hurting all the time.
Some people may be enjoying it - but I am not. Let me
tell you, even if we are fighting for some kind of
cause, its not helping in any way - its getting more
counter-productive.

Why can't Sarai think of shifting this discussion of
Nationhood/Patriotism/Kashmir/Azadi etc to another
mailing list, so that those who don't need it can
breath easy. (I know some people will immediately say
their suffering needs to be told to everyone, and so
on...). But let us give everyone a break. Why can't
all of you think of a real life meeting where we can
discuss all this - at least we would be able to see
each other's faces - how beautiful we look when
throwing a stone at someone! All this ghostly debate
doesn't seem real to me.


--- rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> It is pointless to reply to such people...only
> answer to them is
> 
> But humko kahee kaafir
> Allah ki marzi hai
> 
> 
> On 9/7/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Gargi of Puedo Intellectual ,
> >
> >
> > woh suna chuke hain humein apna faisla,
> > har sawal ka jawab sawal se dene wale
> >
> > kyon umeed karke udas karon khud ko,
> > jhooti ass banaee kwabon mein rehne wale
> >
> > teri nasseb mein hai sirf sohrat-e-harf,
> > nahi milenge lafzoon ko mehsoo karne wale
> >
> > woh laga gaye hain mujh par ilzam kya kya,
> > rooz fareb, hamesha se ghaat karne wale
> >
> > koun koun se zakmon ko chupaoon main,
> > itne gehre hain mere ghaw nahi chupne wale
> >
> > kya pyar karon ab to nafrat bhi nahi ati,
> > youn loot gaye humko humse bewafaee karne wale
> >
> > bech deta hai zamana masihon ko 'Nazeer'
> > rehbar he the Isa ko saleeb tak pohchane wale
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope you know the context in which the reply is
> sent ......and ofcourse
> > this
> > is not my couplet ,,,,,
> >
> > Pawan Durani
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/7/07, Gargi Sen <sen.gargi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear ARKP,
> > >
> > > Yeh kaisa dastan-e-tanhai hai yaron?
> > > Apke kahton me Rumi ko parhne ka ahsaas to hai
> lekin
> > > apke baton se Rumaniyat ki boo tak gayab?
> > >
> > >
> > > Apologies to the non-Hindustani speakers on the
> list as I am not capable
> > > of
> > > translating into English my own words without
> signifying, and thereby
> > > collapsing, the subtle but significant
> difference between say 'boo' and
> > > 'mehak' into smell.
> > >
> > > Gargi Sen
> > >
> > > On 07/09/2007, Rahul Asthana
> <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kshmendra,
> > > > Faiz was a "dehria" communist,if you know what
> I
> > > > mean.Iqbal was an Islamist.Being a poet and a
> > > > philosopher is not contrary to being an
> Islamist.So,in
> > > > that sense,there can be no greater contrast.
> > > > Iqbal's philosophy of religious
> existentialism-
> > > > mard-e-momin, khudi etc was based on Islam.I
> do not
> > > > see the same celebration of "khudi" in Faiz.
> > > > Also,Iqbal was not sufi either.Iqbal wrote a
> lot in
> > > > Persian.Poetry in every language has a soul of
> its
> > > > own.When you write in Persian,you cant but
> help poets
> > > > like Hafez and Rumi whispering in your ear;and
> the
> > > > mysticism rubs off on you.That can be found in
> Iqbal
> > > > too.But,Iqbal's philosophy has nothing to do
> with
> > > > sufism.In fact,my impression is that in his
> dialog
> > > > Iblees o Jibrael, he is deriding sufis-
> > > > "Main khataktaa hoon dile yazdaan mein kaante
> ki
> > > > tarah,
> > > > tu faqat, alla hoo alla hoo ,alla hoo."
> > > > This IMO, is Nietzsche style existentialism.
> > > >
> > > > So,I really don't see much similarity in Faiz
> and
> > > > Iqbal besides the fact that they were the
> greatest
> > > > living Urdu poets of their times.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > Rahul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>



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