[Reader-list] Two Iqbals & One Fai

[Rahul Asthana]

Gargi,
Again, are you addressing me?
I thought this was a literary discussion.Please lets
not get personal.If you do want to contribute anything
on the topic,I will answer you.

regards
Rahul


--- Gargi Sen <sen.gargi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear ARKP,
> 
> Yeh kaisa dastan-e-tanhai hai yaron?
> Apke kahton me Rumi ko parhne ka ahsaas to hai lekin
> apke baton se Rumaniyat ki boo tak gayab?
> 
> 
> Apologies to the non-Hindustani speakers on the list
> as I am not capable of
> translating into English my own words without
> signifying, and thereby
> collapsing, the subtle but significant difference
> between say 'boo' and
> 'mehak' into smell.
> 
> Gargi Sen
> 
> On 07/09/2007, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kshmendra,
> > Faiz was a "dehria" communist,if you know what I
> > mean.Iqbal was an Islamist.Being a poet and a
> > philosopher is not contrary to being an
> Islamist.So,in
> > that sense,there can be no greater contrast.
> > Iqbal's philosophy of religious existentialism-
> > mard-e-momin, khudi etc was based on Islam.I do
> not
> > see the same celebration of "khudi" in Faiz.
> > Also,Iqbal was not sufi either.Iqbal wrote a lot
> in
> > Persian.Poetry in every language has a soul of its
> > own.When you write in Persian,you cant but help
> poets
> > like Hafez and Rumi whispering in your ear;and the
> > mysticism rubs off on you.That can be found in
> Iqbal
> > too.But,Iqbal's philosophy has nothing to do with
> > sufism.In fact,my impression is that in his dialog
> > Iblees o Jibrael, he is deriding sufis-
> > "Main khataktaa hoon dile yazdaan mein kaante ki
> > tarah,
> > tu faqat, alla hoo alla hoo ,alla hoo."
> > This IMO, is Nietzsche style existentialism.
> >
> > So,I really don't see much similarity in Faiz and
> > Iqbal besides the fact that they were the greatest
> > living Urdu poets of their times.
> >
> > regards
> > Rahul
> >
> >
> > --- Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Yasir
> > >
> > >   Long overdue. Didnt want to let it go.
> > >
> > >   Fleetingly addressing ".....they both received
> a
> > > similar religious education while growing up in
> > > Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that
> > > sounds."
> > >
> > >   For me there is not much of a contradiction.
> Both
> > > were revolutionaries. Both had a "sufi" bent of
> > > mind. Both seemed to celeberate "khudi".
> > >
> > >   In my opinion the seeming contradiction might
> > > arise out of a limited understanding of Iqbal.
> More
> > > philosopher than "Islamist" (also more
> Philosopher
> > > than Poet). A purist (a Salafi???) who primarily
> > > stuck to the finest precepts from the "Quran"
> > > (somewhat a Parvaizi). A "Shikvah" is not the
> work
> > > of an ordinary soul subscribing to the
> "expected".
> > >
> > >   In my opinion, Iqbal's politics (the egging on
> of
> > > Jinnah) was more towards "a Nation for Muslims"
> > > rather than an "Islamic (shariah) Nation". The
> 1940
> > > Lahore resolution and Jinnah's Constituent
> Assembly
> > > speech are just 2 pointers.
> > >
> > >   I am sure I sound quite disjointed. Khair.
> > >
> > >   Thanks for Maniza Naqvi's translation of "Hum
> > > Daikhaingay". I thought the "anthem", the
> challenge,
> > > the rousing up, the defiance is missing.
> > >
> > >   Here is an interesting 'variation' by Raamesh
> > > Gowri Raghavan. In his words:
> > >
> > >
> > >   Here is a transcreation based on Faiz A Faiz's
> > > revolutionary Urdu nazm 'Hum dekhenge', and
> written
> > > to the metre of another revolutionary song, the
> > > Marseillaise.
> > >
> > > "Destiny"
> > >
> > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > Oh! See the vile ziggurats crumble
> > > Reduced to ignominous dust!
> > > Reduced to ignominous dust!
> > > Can you hear the revolution
> > > Rumble in the angry streets
> > > It thunders fire and lightning
> > > To strike the oppressors' nemesis!
> > >
> > > Our destiny is come
> > > The day given to us
> > > Arise! Arise!
> > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > Must now be redeemed!
> > >
> > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > Look! From the temple of our faith
> > > The evil is now exorcised!
> > > The evil is now exorcised!
> > > The good are now restored to their
> > > High exaltations again!
> > > See the generals' stars stripped away
> > > And their thrones, their baubles destroyed!
> > >
> > > Our destiny is come
> > > The day given to us
> > > Arise! Arise!
> > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > Must now be redeemed!
> > >
> > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > Only His name shall prevail:
> > > Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> > > Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> > > He Oversees, is the Overseen
> > > His reign shall persist forever!
> > > For He is I and He is You
> > > He is I and He is You!
> > >
> > > Our destiny is come
> > > The day given to us
> > > Arise! Arise!
> > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > Must now be redeemed!
> > >
> > >
> > >   The original by Faiz"-
> > >
> > > "Hum dekhenge
> > > Lazim hai ke hum bhi dekhenge
> > > Wo din ke jis ka wada hai
> > > Jo looh-e-azl pe likha hai
> > > Hum dekhenge
> > >
> > > Jab zulm-o-sitam ke koh-e-garan
> > > Rooi ki tarah ud jayenge
> > > Hum mehkoomon ke paaon tale
> > > Ye dharti dhad dhad dhadakegi
> > > Aur ahl-e-hukum ke sar oopar
> > > Jab bijli kad kad kadakegi
> > > Hum dekhenge
> > >
> > > Jab arz-e-Khuda ke kaabe se
> > > Sab butth uthwae jayenge
> > > Hum ahl-e-safa mardood-e-haram
> > > Masnad pe bithaye jayenge
> > > Sab taaj uchhaale jayenge
> > > Sab takht giraaye jayenge
> > > Hum dekhenge
> > >
> > > Bas naam rahega Allah ka
> > > Jo ghayab bhi hai hazir bhi
> > > Jo naazir bhi hai manzar bhi
> > > Uthega an-al-Haq ka nara
> > > Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> > > Aur raaj karegi Khalq-e-Khuda
> > > Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> > >
> > >
> > >   Hum dekhenge
> > > Lazim hai ki hum bhi dekhenge
> > > Hum dekhenge"
> > >
> > >
> > >   Kshmendra Kaul
> > >
> 
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