[Reader-list] Reply to Dhatriji, his concerns etc.

[Taraprakash]

if this mail is for an individual, why the hell it has been sent to this 
list?
Weren't online public chat rooms enough for India bashing and Pakistan 
bashing?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "junaid" <justjunaid at rediffmail.com>
To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [Reader-list] Reply to Dhatriji, his concerns etc.


>
> This post is only for Dhatriji. Others can just ignore it.
>
> Dear Dhatri,
>
> I did not respond to you earlier for I suspected you were someone just 
> playing this little game, you know, making fun of Hindu nationalism in 
> India by writing like some typical RSS export-grade intellectual. It seems 
> I was wrong. For if you were smart you would have realized your pun had 
> run its honourable course. God, you really meant what you said! Although, 
> I confess the joke is on me, but whatever it is a horrible story. You have 
> got it totally wrong. The history, the society, philosophy, and the life 
> in general. Even the cultural relativists would be shy to defend your 
> warped ideas. I feel concerned, and, even against my instinct, a bit 
> sympathetic.
>
> Let us take your post. The US democratic hopeful is living far from 
> Pakistan. Pakistani nuclear weapons won’t reach him. In any case, 
> Americans bomb China many times daily in bars and pubs. Till late in the 
> night, past many bottles of whiskey and rum, US presidential hopefuls keep 
> catching Osamas, Ahmedinejads, and Kim Jongs of this world, so many times. 
> But yes Americans do give aid to Pakistani dictators. They can stop it. 
> You have to realize India does not have any aid to give. Converse logic 
> suggests India cannot stop aid to Pakistan. If you remember Pakistan also 
> detonated its nuclear weapons in the same month as India, so perhaps they 
> might reply by dispatching some of them into India if India goes for hot 
> chases, surgical strikes, masala dosas, bhel pooris etc.
>
> Your randomness threatens all accumulated wisdom, modern and postmodern. 
> Your pained sigh that 'if Germany is united, and Korea is not, but might 
> unite in future, as you feel, why should India not', is not actually a 
> good logic. Some cocky chap might reason: Soviet Union disintegrated, and 
> so did Yugoslavia. Why not India???  And Dhatri, my friend, this leaves 
> you as vulnerable as someone standing in the middle of a chowk with his 
> trousers' drawstrings snapped.
>
> On the "export of Buddhism", I have always wondered why India exported all 
> of its Buddhism. It is such a good religion; should they not have kept 
> some for themselves?  You speak of how India offers Yoga to the world so 
> they may "refrain from violent thoughts", which is again ironic, for you 
> seem not to have tried it on yourself. A few lines ago you, along with 
> some American bully, were talking of bombing Pakistan. And, hey, you were 
> saying those bombing thoughts were nice. You so humiliate consistency!
>
> I must admit, I agree with you on one count, at least: That India's 
> contribution to knowledge is zero.  Although I am generally against 
> patenting, claiming Intellectual Property Rights over 0 would be 
> particularly shameful. Apart from practical difficulties such endeavour 
> entails, like who takes the cash, imagine a situation where people across 
> the world say they will use their own zeros, not the Indian one which is 
> not even properly circular, what will you do? I hope you know every 
> country has its own zero.
> I remember a joke of a professor who, sitting in a meeting, saw a young 
> man, his hair slicked back, variously-sized rings on his fingers, and his 
> jeans barely clinging to his hips, come up to him to say that he wanted to 
> speak to him.
> Professor said: "But who are you?"
> "Your student."
> Embarrassedly, the professor interrupted: "Please hide this fact." The 
> same way, Dhatri my friend, you should hide the fact that you want IPR 
> over zero. It is good as a private sentiment, even in India's neoliberal 
> age. Its public expression will only invite ridicule.
>
> You have managed to cull nine examples from your memory to suggest how 
> India was robed, raped and run over by rulers of medieval India. Answers 
> to these (in your own naïve/simple way) could be these:
>
> 1. Ghazni probably attacked Somnath because it contained a lot of gold 
> (which ideally should have belonged to subjects of contemporary kings) 
> which he needed to bolster his own rule in regions that more or less form 
> the present-day Afghanistan.
>
> 2.  Ghoris and Tughlaks ruled India because their armies were strong, and 
> they managed to defeat local rulers. (Remember I am not saying if it is 
> good or bad.) There was no democracy at that time, before or after they 
> came to India. Conquest and invasion seem to have been the norms of the 
> day. According to Ramachandra Guha, the long-awaited democracy finally 
> came with Nehru.
>
> 3.  Aurangzeb was, if you look at it, a nice bloke in what I know of him. 
> He was not a lavish imperial spender. He caught brigands like Shivaji. He 
> built the largest empire on what is now India. I have a serious aversion 
> to rulers in general, but I think Aurangzeb was not any worse than 
> Maharana Pratap or Prithvi Raj Chauhan. If you talk to your Sarsanghchalak 
> he might tell you it is more hot air than fact. At the same time I agree 
> Aurangzeb could have used witchcraft. I wonder when he was playing his 
> witchcraft on Hindu women, where were the great Sadhu maharajas doing.
>
> 4. What is 'Partia'?
>
> 5. Kohinoor Diamond came from Golconda, passed through many rulers’ hands, 
> Kakatyas, Tughlaks, Mughals etc, and is finally with British. Believe me 
> it is not good for India, it brings bad luck. The Peacock Throne was made 
> for Shah-e-Jahan, the Mughal Emperor. It was taken away by Nader Shah to 
> Persia in 1739. The original Peacock Throne was destroyed, so can’t come 
> back. In any case, why should it matter to you; it was made by Mughals who 
> you think are not legitimate part of the Indian history.
>
> 6. Zinna, popularly called Jinnah, wanted a separate state for those 
> Muslims who wanted to go to Pakistan. Did you, in an earlier mail, ask 
> what the contribution of Pakistan was in the freedom struggle! Nothing, 
> really. Because they were digging a canal in Rawalpindi at that time, and 
> could not show up. But they have expressed sorry so many times for that. 
> You should consider.  Personally I am jealous of Jinnah; he got his 
> Pakistan.
>
> 7. I totally agree Pakistan and China should vacate the peaks. They belong 
> to Kashmir. India should also think about it.
>
> 8.  Jihad Jihad Jihad Juhad Jihid Jahid Jidha Jadhi Jihdi
>
> Junaid
>
>
>          A fact is always a fact.  I didn't heard anything from junaid.  I 
> don't know how many of the sarai members are on their original names. 
> While a day after the writing of this post, a democrat from  U.S senate 
> expressed his view stating that
>
> "If he would be the PRESIDENT OF USA, he would have stopped the aid to 
> Pakistan and attacked the training camps at Pakistan ".   If people of 
> USA, and Americans thinking in such a nice way why not WE Indians?
>
> Germaine's are united  and so as Korea's in future.  Why not India??? 
> Actually my writing was side tracked by the members of the SARAI.  Its not 
> like India-Centric or language as some of the member expressed. Akhand 
> Bharat is used to speak Sanskrit as the medium of communication. Still 
> many words are imported from Sanskrit and used in the national 
> language(HINDI) and regional languages.  Now a days English is the common 
> medium of communication used in the world.
>
> INSTEAD OF ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF LAND(KASHMIR), both CHINA AND PAKISTAN 
> and their supporters writing here SHOULD RETHINK about their thoughts and 
> understanding towards their pseudo practices over religion.   Since India 
> is the exporter of BUDDHISM a transformation of Hinduism to Asia,  We 
> Indians are ready to offer afresh thought again in the form of YOGA and 
> the importance of prayer to make countries and people feel better, confess 
> themselves and refrain from violent thoughts.
>
>   Even British handed over Hong Kong to Chaina after 99 year lease
> India did the same against Pakistan in the wars.
> If leases and defeats are generously managed
> Then whynot Pakistan and Chaina do the same in case of India?
> What the hell the world is doing at the suffering of our hearts and blood?
>
>
>
> This community include a variety of reporters,filmmakers,software 
> engineers and intellectuals working at various capacities, I just ask you 
> to think it and spread on the idea to claim the PATENTS AND 
> IPR(INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS) over 0.
>
>
> The following are a few of the Barbarian attacks,losses and culture 
> erosion
>
> 1) Ghajani on Somanath temple
> 2) Ghori rule
> 3) Tuglaq rule
> 4) Aurangzeb witched, weird conversion tactics on Hindu woman
> 5) Attacks from Partia
> 6) Kohinoor and several precious diamonds, peacock crown at world museum's
> 7) Zinna 2 nation theory and power joy at the cost of Indian patriot 
> deaths
> 8) Illegal possession of land in Pakistan and China Hands
>   (those are not empty peaks but the heart beat of Indians)
> 9) Jihadi attacks on India
>
> Isliye mein likha hoon ki hamko kuch bhi karne ka hak hai.
>
> Regards,
> Dhatri.
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