[Reader-list] JKLF leader Yasin Malik says unarmed IAF officers were agents of Enemy...defends killing them !

[Pawan Durani]

Saddha Devi,

You have a basic problem with patriotism.

Is it indeed natural for a soldier to get killed  ?
Is it natural for the killer like Yasin Malik to be a free man ?
Is it natural that even after so many years the charges against a terrorist
has not been framed ?
Is it natural for a killer to have a fan following with "intellectuals"
leading it?

If this all seems natural to you , then one should understand how safe the
Indians are with you and Partho as their co -citizens ?

Pawan

On 9/13/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:

> Pawan Durani wrote:
>
> > What if I counter your first argument with ..."What's the point that a
> woman
> > is molested , they are prone to it."
> >
>
> Interesting, that Pawan Durani should think that it is natural that
> women should be 'prone' to being molested.
>
> I personally think that there is a world of a difference between the
> estimation of risks that uniformed personnel of the armed forces in a
> combat zone knows that they faces, and the situation of being a woman.
>
> No one can deny that a member of the armed forces, especially one in
> uniform, wears that uniform knowing fully well that in a situation of
> armed conflict, that uniform will mark him or her as a fair target. If
> they did not know that, they would not have joined the armed forces.
>
> A soldier who wears a military uniform makes a choice to face and
> deliver aggression, if need be. A person who is born a woman does not
> make a choice to face molestation.  In fact in many societies, women do
> not face the level of molestation that they do in lets say the streets
> of Delhi, regardless of what they happen to be wearing. In most cities
> in the world, women are not "prone to it" in the manner Durni suggests
> they are.
>
> By equating these two very different kinds of situation, what Pawan
> Durani is saying is as follows - women are that special kind of people
> who will naturally face molestation in any and every circumstance, they
> are in his words "prone to it".
>
> It makes me ask a set of questions about the kind of man Pawan Durani
> is, and about the things that he is 'prone' to
>
> the kind obviously, who (logically following through his argument)
> thinks that all women are fair game, as far as molestation goes,
> because, they "are prone to it".
>
> I think that we can conclude from this that no woman under any
> circumstances should feel safe in the company of Pawan Durani.
>
> regards
>
> Shuddha
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Does that mean that we dont owe any responsibility.
> >
> > People like you have zero nationalism and negative intellectualism.
> >
> > I would still say ...may God Bless even you , who does not care even for
> the
> > martyrs of his country.
> >
> >
> > On 9/13/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Not as an 'intellectual', but as an ordinary list reader, have some
> >>questions
> >>1.  What's the point - that a soldier was killed by a militant?
> >>     That's a part of their job profile. A tragic incident but a part of
> >>     the armed forces life. Just as a militant knows that he'll be
> >>     targetted by armed forces fire, armed forces know that they'll be
> >>     targetted by militants
> >>
> >>2.  Yasin Malik didn't apologise? Well, that's his personal point of
> view.
> >>
> >>     Like he has his, you have yours - and thy differ. This post is not
> >>     marked to him so you're obviously not trying to change his mind
> >>     and make him apologise.
> >>
> >>3.  We've all seen footage of armed forces showing unrelated people as
> >>     militants and cops showing innocent people as criminals so we know
> >>     that both sides play dirty. That's a fact of life that needs to be
> >>faced
> >>     by unbiased reporting to clean the problem and not enhance it by
> >>hate.
> >>
> >>4.  Where does "God Bless India" come in - or even India come in since
> >>     militancy is a global problem from Ceylon to Afghanistan to the US
> >>     and Ireland
> >>
> >>This pointless post has got me completely confused as to what you're
> >>trying to say,
> >>unless it's linked to a larger debate - in which case you should include
> >>the debate.
> >>
> >>Rgds, Partha
> >>....................
> >>
> >>On 9/13/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>And the "intellectuals" will still have some
> argument................god
> >>>Bless India.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 9/13/07, Aditya Raj Kaul <adityarajkaul at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>*The agents of the 'enemy'** - Rediff News
> >>>>
> >>>>*** *Srinagar.* January 25, 1990 Squadron Leader Ravi Khanna's
> >>>
> >>>misfortune
> >>>
> >>>>was that he was in uniform.
> >>>>That winter morning nine years ago, he and his colleagues were waiting
> >>>
> >>>>near
> >>>>the Rawalpura bus stand. An Indian Air Force bus was to reach them to
> >>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>airport.
> >>>>At around 0730 hours a Maruti Gypsy and a two-wheeler carrying four to
> >>>>five
> >>>>Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front militants drew up. The next thing
> >>>
> >>>that
> >>>
> >>>>Khanna knew was bullets pumping into his body. That was the last thing
> >>>
> >>>he
> >>>
> >>>>knew. Around him 13 more fell. Three of them dead, 10 were injured.
> >>>
> >>>Hardly
> >>>
> >>>>50 yards away was a Jammu and Kashmir police picket, manned by a head
> >>>>constable and seven subordinates. Their eight .303 rifles remained
> >>>
> >>>silent
> >>>
> >>>>as
> >>>>the militants finished emptying their weapons and, taking a clockwise
> >>>>circuit of the roundabout ahead, vanished unhurriedly into Srinagar's
> >>>>numerous back lanes.
> >>>>*Even after he gave up the gun, JKLF leader Yasin Malik was to defend
> >>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>killings: The IAF personnel were not innocent victims. They were the
> >>>>agents
> >>>>of the 'enemy'. *
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>*--
> >>>>Aditya Raj Kaul
> >>>>Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
> >>>>Campaign Blog: www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> >>>>RIK Website: www.rootsinkashmir.org
> >>>>US Website: www.unitedstudents.in*
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Partha Dasgupta (9811047132)
> >>http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
> >
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