[Reader-list] Re: JKLF leader Yasin Malik says unarmed IAF officerswere agents of Enemy...defends killing them !

zainab zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl
Thu Sep 13 23:42:49 IST 2007 

Dear Pawan,

I feel quite safe in Shuddha's company despite being a woman and
technically a Muslim and technically a citizen of this country called
India. (I don't know Partha personally so I cannot vouch as confidently!) 

And it seems that either there is a problem with your eyes or there is a
problem with your brain's processing and comprehension mechanisms but it
has been repeatedly said that none of us are (I am assuming) fans of Yasin
Malik's. Like Shuddha, I too condemn violence but also believe that when
force is used against you and your voice is constantly being repressed to
the extent that you silenced when you try to speak, in these situations, we
should not be surprised is violence is taken recourse to.

Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet cleaning liquid.
Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr. Durani's head refuses
to go away!

Best,

Zainab
    

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:18:59 +0530, "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Saddha Devi,
> 
> You have a basic problem with patriotism.
> 
> Is it indeed natural for a soldier to get killed  ?
> Is it natural for the killer like Yasin Malik to be a free man ?
> Is it natural that even after so many years the charges against a
> terrorist
> has not been framed ?
> Is it natural for a killer to have a fan following with "intellectuals"
> leading it?
> 
> If this all seems natural to you , then one should understand how safe
the
> Indians are with you and Partho as their co -citizens ?
> 
> Pawan
> 
> On 9/13/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> 
>> Pawan Durani wrote:
>>
>> > What if I counter your first argument with ..."What's the point that a
>> woman
>> > is molested , they are prone to it."
>> >
>>
>> Interesting, that Pawan Durani should think that it is natural that
>> women should be 'prone' to being molested.
>>
>> I personally think that there is a world of a difference between the
>> estimation of risks that uniformed personnel of the armed forces in a
>> combat zone knows that they faces, and the situation of being a woman.
>>
>> No one can deny that a member of the armed forces, especially one in
>> uniform, wears that uniform knowing fully well that in a situation of
>> armed conflict, that uniform will mark him or her as a fair target. If
>> they did not know that, they would not have joined the armed forces.
>>
>> A soldier who wears a military uniform makes a choice to face and
>> deliver aggression, if need be. A person who is born a woman does not
>> make a choice to face molestation.  In fact in many societies, women do
>> not face the level of molestation that they do in lets say the streets
>> of Delhi, regardless of what they happen to be wearing. In most cities
>> in the world, women are not "prone to it" in the manner Durni suggests
>> they are.
>>
>> By equating these two very different kinds of situation, what Pawan
>> Durani is saying is as follows - women are that special kind of people
>> who will naturally face molestation in any and every circumstance, they
>> are in his words "prone to it".
>>
>> It makes me ask a set of questions about the kind of man Pawan Durani
>> is, and about the things that he is 'prone' to
>>
>> the kind obviously, who (logically following through his argument)
>> thinks that all women are fair game, as far as molestation goes,
>> because, they "are prone to it".
>>
>> I think that we can conclude from this that no woman under any
>> circumstances should feel safe in the company of Pawan Durani.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Shuddha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Does that mean that we dont owe any responsibility.
>> >
>> > People like you have zero nationalism and negative intellectualism.
>> >
>> > I would still say ...may God Bless even you , who does not care even
> for
>> the
>> > martyrs of his country.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/13/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Hi,
>> >>
>> >>Not as an 'intellectual', but as an ordinary list reader, have some
>> >>questions
>> >>1.  What's the point - that a soldier was killed by a militant?
>> >>     That's a part of their job profile. A tragic incident but a part
> of
>> >>     the armed forces life. Just as a militant knows that he'll be
>> >>     targetted by armed forces fire, armed forces know that they'll be
>> >>     targetted by militants
>> >>
>> >>2.  Yasin Malik didn't apologise? Well, that's his personal point of
>> view.
>> >>
>> >>     Like he has his, you have yours - and thy differ. This post is
> not
>> >>     marked to him so you're obviously not trying to change his mind
>> >>     and make him apologise.
>> >>
>> >>3.  We've all seen footage of armed forces showing unrelated people as
>> >>     militants and cops showing innocent people as criminals so we
> know
>> >>     that both sides play dirty. That's a fact of life that needs to
> be
>> >>faced
>> >>     by unbiased reporting to clean the problem and not enhance it by
>> >>hate.
>> >>
>> >>4.  Where does "God Bless India" come in - or even India come in since
>> >>     militancy is a global problem from Ceylon to Afghanistan to the
> US
>> >>     and Ireland
>> >>
>> >>This pointless post has got me completely confused as to what you're
>> >>trying to say,
>> >>unless it's linked to a larger debate - in which case you should
> include
>> >>the debate.
>> >>
>> >>Rgds, Partha
>> >>....................
>> >>
>> >>On 9/13/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>And the "intellectuals" will still have some
>> argument................god
>> >>>Bless India.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>On 9/13/07, Aditya Raj Kaul <adityarajkaul at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>*The agents of the 'enemy'** - Rediff News
>> >>>>
>> >>>>*** *Srinagar.* January 25, 1990 Squadron Leader Ravi Khanna's
>> >>>
>> >>>misfortune
>> >>>
>> >>>>was that he was in uniform.
>> >>>>That winter morning nine years ago, he and his colleagues were
> waiting
>> >>>
>> >>>>near
>> >>>>the Rawalpura bus stand. An Indian Air Force bus was to reach them
> to
>> >>>
>> >>>the
>> >>>
>> >>>>airport.
>> >>>>At around 0730 hours a Maruti Gypsy and a two-wheeler carrying four
> to
>> >>>>five
>> >>>>Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front militants drew up. The next thing
>> >>>
>> >>>that
>> >>>
>> >>>>Khanna knew was bullets pumping into his body. That was the last
> thing
>> >>>
>> >>>he
>> >>>
>> >>>>knew. Around him 13 more fell. Three of them dead, 10 were injured.
>> >>>
>> >>>Hardly
>> >>>
>> >>>>50 yards away was a Jammu and Kashmir police picket, manned by a
> head
>> >>>>constable and seven subordinates. Their eight .303 rifles remained
>> >>>
>> >>>silent
>> >>>
>> >>>>as
>> >>>>the militants finished emptying their weapons and, taking a
> clockwise
>> >>>>circuit of the roundabout ahead, vanished unhurriedly into
> Srinagar's
>> >>>>numerous back lanes.
>> >>>>*Even after he gave up the gun, JKLF leader Yasin Malik was to
> defend
>> >>>
>> >>>the
>> >>>
>> >>>>killings: The IAF personnel were not innocent victims. They were the
>> >>>>agents
>> >>>>of the 'enemy'. *
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>*--
>> >>>>Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >>>>Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
>> >>>>Campaign Blog: www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
>> >>>>RIK Website: www.rootsinkashmir.org
>> >>>>US Website: www.unitedstudents.in*
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Partha Dasgupta (9811047132)
>> >>http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
>> >
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