[Reader-list] An Apology: JKLF leader Yasin Malik says unarmed IAF officers were agents of Enemy...defends killing them !
Partha Dasgupta
parthaekka at gmail.com
Fri Sep 14 08:44:43 IST 2007
Hi Pawan,
a) I wanted to apologise for one term that was used in my post last
evening. I was in
the middle of giving my children dinner and has asked a friend to hit
the send
button, but he decided to change a few words that he thought would
express my
point of view better.
The phrase was "Or is it that a mental block is transferring to a
sexual block that is
raising the issue of rape? In that scenario, Frued (or a live shrink)
would be the right
person to go to."
That was an extremely out of place and unwarranted remark, and I
apologize for that.
Sure, I could have done that in a private mail, but since the initial
comment was made
in a public forum, it is only fair that I should make my apologies in
the same forum and
not in private.
My question was "If there's a mental block that is not allowing you to
look beyond
the emotional aspect and understand or respond to the logic of a
viewpoint, then it
is better to stay silent since there's nothing to say."
b) As for the points you raised about being 'natural'. That's open to
debate about what
you consider natural. Cancer and AIDS have come out of the nature of
human
interaction and we're trying to find a cure for both - and a host of
other 'natural'
ailments. Does that mean we're going against the laws of nature?
For the other part of your question, if you follow the simple logic
of a soldier or a
militant in an armed conflict there will be death on both sides. That
does not mean
that every soldier and militant will die in that conflict, but a
certain percentage will
die on both sides - as well as civilians in that zone despite not
having anything to
do with the conflict besides their presence.
I short, it is not 'natural for a soldier to get killed', however
the law of averages dictates
that in an area of armed conflict some soldiers will die.
c) As for the rest of your questions about Yasin Malik being a terrorist
and having a
fan following, I am getting a bit confused about your viewpoint.
On one hand you claim to be a loyal Indian and a complete follower
and believer
in the tenets of India.
On the other hand, you are calling a man cleared by the laws of India
and someone
who's trying to promote non-violence (which if you remember is a
concept brought
into vogue by Gandi who also happens to be the father of the nation) a
terrorist.
What's your point? Do you not believe in the laws of India? Or is it
that the continued
violence allows you a place to get angry and talk about how you've been
victimised?
On my part, would far prefer that more and more militants give up arms
and join civil
society. And if that means pardoning them, would rather have that than
more dead
people - and that includes soldiers, militants as well as civilians.
Do you disagree to that?
Rgds, Partha
On 9/13/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Saddha Devi,
>
> You have a basic problem with patriotism.
>
> Is it indeed natural for a soldier to get killed ?
> Is it natural for the killer like Yasin Malik to be a free man ?
> Is it natural that even after so many years the charges against a
> terrorist has not been framed ?
> Is it natural for a killer to have a fan following with "intellectuals"
> leading it?
>
> If this all seems natural to you , then one should understand how safe the
> Indians are with you and Partho as their co -citizens ?
>
> Pawan
>
> On 9/13/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
>
> > Pawan Durani wrote:
> >
> > > What if I counter your first argument with ..."What's the point that a
> > woman
> > > is molested , they are prone to it."
> > >
> >
> > Interesting, that Pawan Durani should think that it is natural that
> > women should be 'prone' to being molested.
> >
> > I personally think that there is a world of a difference between the
> > estimation of risks that uniformed personnel of the armed forces in a
> > combat zone knows that they faces, and the situation of being a woman.
> >
> > No one can deny that a member of the armed forces, especially one in
> > uniform, wears that uniform knowing fully well that in a situation of
> > armed conflict, that uniform will mark him or her as a fair target. If
> > they did not know that, they would not have joined the armed forces.
> >
> > A soldier who wears a military uniform makes a choice to face and
> > deliver aggression, if need be. A person who is born a woman does not
> > make a choice to face molestation. In fact in many societies, women do
> > not face the level of molestation that they do in lets say the streets
> > of Delhi, regardless of what they happen to be wearing. In most cities
> > in the world, women are not "prone to it" in the manner Durni suggests
> > they are.
> >
> > By equating these two very different kinds of situation, what Pawan
> > Durani is saying is as follows - women are that special kind of people
> > who will naturally face molestation in any and every circumstance, they
> > are in his words "prone to it".
> >
> > It makes me ask a set of questions about the kind of man Pawan Durani
> > is, and about the things that he is 'prone' to
> >
> > the kind obviously, who (logically following through his argument)
> > thinks that all women are fair game, as far as molestation goes,
> > because, they "are prone to it".
> >
> > I think that we can conclude from this that no woman under any
> > circumstances should feel safe in the company of Pawan Durani.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Shuddha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Does that mean that we dont owe any responsibility.
> > >
> > > People like you have zero nationalism and negative intellectualism.
> > >
> > > I would still say ...may God Bless even you , who does not care even
> > for the
> > > martyrs of his country.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/13/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hi,
> > >>
> > >>Not as an 'intellectual', but as an ordinary list reader, have some
> > >>questions
> > >>1. What's the point - that a soldier was killed by a militant?
> > >> That's a part of their job profile. A tragic incident but a part
> > of
> > >> the armed forces life. Just as a militant knows that he'll be
> > >> targetted by armed forces fire, armed forces know that they'll be
> > >> targetted by militants
> > >>
> > >>2. Yasin Malik didn't apologise? Well, that's his personal point of
> > view.
> > >>
> > >> Like he has his, you have yours - and thy differ. This post is
> > not
> > >> marked to him so you're obviously not trying to change his mind
> > >> and make him apologise.
> > >>
> > >>3. We've all seen footage of armed forces showing unrelated people as
> > >> militants and cops showing innocent people as criminals so we
> > know
> > >> that both sides play dirty. That's a fact of life that needs to
> > be
> > >>faced
> > >> by unbiased reporting to clean the problem and not enhance it by
> > >>hate.
> > >>
> > >>4. Where does "God Bless India" come in - or even India come in since
> > >> militancy is a global problem from Ceylon to Afghanistan to the
> > US
> > >> and Ireland
> > >>
> > >>This pointless post has got me completely confused as to what you're
> > >>trying to say,
> > >>unless it's linked to a larger debate - in which case you should
> > include
> > >>the debate.
> > >>
> > >>Rgds, Partha
> > >>....................
> > >>
> > >>On 9/13/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>And the "intellectuals" will still have some
> > argument................god
> > >>>Bless India.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>On 9/13/07, Aditya Raj Kaul <adityarajkaul at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>*The agents of the 'enemy'** - Rediff News
> > >>>>
> > >>>>*** *Srinagar.* January 25, 1990 Squadron Leader Ravi Khanna's
> > >>>
> > >>>misfortune
> > >>>
> > >>>>was that he was in uniform.
> > >>>>That winter morning nine years ago, he and his colleagues were
> > waiting
> > >>>
> > >>>>near
> > >>>>the Rawalpura bus stand. An Indian Air Force bus was to reach them
> > to
> > >>>
> > >>>the
> > >>>
> > >>>>airport.
> > >>>>At around 0730 hours a Maruti Gypsy and a two-wheeler carrying four
> > to
> > >>>>five
> > >>>>Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front militants drew up. The next thing
> > >>>
> > >>>that
> > >>>
> > >>>>Khanna knew was bullets pumping into his body. That was the last
> > thing
> > >>>
> > >>>he
> > >>>
> > >>>>knew. Around him 13 more fell. Three of them dead, 10 were injured.
> > >>>
> > >>>Hardly
> > >>>
> > >>>>50 yards away was a Jammu and Kashmir police picket, manned by a
> > head
> > >>>>constable and seven subordinates. Their eight .303 rifles remained
> > >>>
> > >>>silent
> > >>>
> > >>>>as
> > >>>>the militants finished emptying their weapons and, taking a
> > clockwise
> > >>>>circuit of the roundabout ahead, vanished unhurriedly into
> > Srinagar's
> > >>>>numerous back lanes.
> > >>>>*Even after he gave up the gun, JKLF leader Yasin Malik was to
> > defend
> > >>>
> > >>>the
> > >>>
> > >>>>killings: The IAF personnel were not innocent victims. They were the
> > >>>>agents
> > >>>>of the 'enemy'. *
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>*--
> > >>>>Aditya Raj Kaul
> > >>>>Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
> > >>>>Campaign Blog: www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> > >>>>RIK Website: www.rootsinkashmir.org
> > >>>>US Website: www.unitedstudents.in*
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>Partha Dasgupta (9811047132)
> > >>http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
> > >
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