[Reader-list] JKLF leader Yasin Malik says unarmed IAF officerswere agents of Enemy...defends killing them !

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Fri Sep 14 16:05:38 IST 2007 

Partha ,

I am not one who takes thing lying down . I wonder what made you think that
i should be docile when Zainab wrote this about me

 ">> Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet cleaning
liquid.>> Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr. Durani's
head >> refuses >> to go away ."

Do you expect me to shower him/her with roses ?

I only reply in the same tone as one deserves .

Give respect ...take respect.......

or do you think Hindus are not supposed to react like that ?

So much for Psuedo Secular people like you .....and you did not have a word
of advise for Zainab.

Zainab perhaps should first learn to use a decent language, and learn it
fast .

Would you Zainab ?


Pawan







On 9/14/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Zainab,
>
> For the vouch part, am a happily married man with 3 lovely children
> (though they do incite thoughts of violence at times!) - though that doesn't
> mean much. For the rest, as far as my friends are concerned, am more
> interested in their heart and thoughts than where they come from or what
> religion they are.
>
> More than that, as an Indian and a male, I apologise for the pathetic
> remark by Pawan.
> .............................
>
> Pawan,
> It's shocking to see the extremely rude reply you made. If you are
> incapable of making a response then at least don't stoop to the level of
> filthy curses.
>
> If nothing else, I do hope that you are worried about the impression of
> India when a reasoned response is answered by trash like this.
>
> After your rape comment, this response of yours is extremely frightening
> and off putting.
>
>  On 9/14/07, zainab <zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl> wrote:
>
> > Dear Pawan,
> >
> > God bless you!
> > Peace be with you!
> > India is great!
> > Jai bharat!
> > Jai bharat mata!
> > Jai Bharat mata ke Pawan putra!
> > Jai seeta ram!
> > Jai ram ram!
> > Jai hindustan!
> > Jai hindu!
> >
> > Happy????
> >
> > Z
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:40:42 +0530, "Pawan Durani" <
> > pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Zainab ,
> > >
> > > And do you have anything else stuck up as well ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/13/07, zainab <zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear Pawan,
> > >>
> > >> I feel quite safe in Shuddha's company despite being a woman and
> > >> technically a Muslim and technically a citizen of this country called
> > >> India. (I don't know Partha personally so I cannot vouch as
> > > confidently!)
> > >>
> > >> And it seems that either there is a problem with your eyes or there
> > is a
> > >> problem with your brain's processing and comprehension mechanisms but
> > it
> > >> has been repeatedly said that none of us are (I am assuming) fans of
> > > Yasin
> > >> Malik's. Like Shuddha, I too condemn violence but also believe that
> > when
> > >> force is used against you and your voice is constantly being
> > repressed
> > > to
> > >> the extent that you silenced when you try to speak, in these
> > situations,
> > >> we
> > >> should not be surprised is violence is taken recourse to.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet cleaning
> > liquid.
> > >> Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr. Durani's head
> > >> refuses
> > >> to go away!
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Zainab
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:18:59 +0530, "Pawan Durani"
> > > <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Saddha Devi,
> > >> >
> > >> > You have a basic problem with patriotism.
> > >> >
> > >> > Is it indeed natural for a soldier to get killed  ?
> > >> > Is it natural for the killer like Yasin Malik to be a free man ?
> > >> > Is it natural that even after so many years the charges against a
> > >> > terrorist
> > >> > has not been framed ?
> > >> > Is it natural for a killer to have a fan following with
> > > "intellectuals"
> > >> > leading it?
> > >> >
> > >> > If this all seems natural to you , then one should understand how
> > safe
> > >> the
> > >> > Indians are with you and Partho as their co -citizens ?
> > >> >
> > >> > Pawan
> > >> >
> > >> > On 9/13/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta < shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Pawan Durani wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > What if I counter your first argument with ..."What's the point
> > > that
> > >> a
> > >> >> woman
> > >> >> > is molested , they are prone to it."
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Interesting, that Pawan Durani should think that it is natural
> > that
> > >> >> women should be 'prone' to being molested.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I personally think that there is a world of a difference between
> > the
> > >> >> estimation of risks that uniformed personnel of the armed forces
> > in a
> > >> >> combat zone knows that they faces, and the situation of being a
> > > woman.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> No one can deny that a member of the armed forces, especially one
> > in
> > >> >> uniform, wears that uniform knowing fully well that in a situation
> > of
> > >> >> armed conflict, that uniform will mark him or her as a fair
> > target.
> > > If
> > >> >> they did not know that, they would not have joined the armed
> > forces.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> A soldier who wears a military uniform makes a choice to face and
> > >> >> deliver aggression, if need be. A person who is born a woman does
> > not
> > >> >> make a choice to face molestation.  In fact in many societies,
> > women
> > > do
> > >> >> not face the level of molestation that they do in lets say the
> > > streets
> > >> >> of Delhi, regardless of what they happen to be wearing. In most
> > > cities
> > >> >> in the world, women are not "prone to it" in the manner Durni
> > > suggests
> > >> >> they are.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> By equating these two very different kinds of situation, what
> > Pawan
> > >> >> Durani is saying is as follows - women are that special kind of
> > > people
> > >> >> who will naturally face molestation in any and every circumstance,
> > > they
> > >> >> are in his words "prone to it".
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It makes me ask a set of questions about the kind of man Pawan
> > Durani
> > >> >> is, and about the things that he is 'prone' to
> > >> >>
> > >> >> the kind obviously, who (logically following through his argument)
> > >> >> thinks that all women are fair game, as far as molestation goes,
> > >> >> because, they "are prone to it".
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I think that we can conclude from this that no woman under any
> > >> >> circumstances should feel safe in the company of Pawan Durani.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> regards
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Shuddha
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Does that mean that we dont owe any responsibility.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > People like you have zero nationalism and negative
> > intellectualism.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I would still say ...may God Bless even you , who does not care
> > > even
> > >> > for
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > martyrs of his country.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On 9/13/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>Hi,
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Not as an 'intellectual', but as an ordinary list reader, have
> > some
> > >> >> >>questions
> > >> >> >>1.  What's the point - that a soldier was killed by a militant?
> > >> >> >>     That's a part of their job profile. A tragic incident but a
> > > part
> > >> > of
> > >> >> >>     the armed forces life. Just as a militant knows that he'll
> > be
> > >> >> >>     targetted by armed forces fire, armed forces know that
> > they'll
> > >> be
> > >> >> >>     targetted by militants
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>2.  Yasin Malik didn't apologise? Well, that's his personal
> > point
> > > of
> > >> >> view.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>     Like he has his, you have yours - and thy differ. This post
> > is
> > >> > not
> > >> >> >>     marked to him so you're obviously not trying to change his
> > > mind
> > >> >> >>     and make him apologise.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>3.  We've all seen footage of armed forces showing unrelated
> > people
> > >> as
> > >> >> >>     militants and cops showing innocent people as criminals so
> > we
> > >> > know
> > >> >> >>     that both sides play dirty. That's a fact of life that
> > needs
> > > to
> > >> > be
> > >> >> >>faced
> > >> >> >>     by unbiased reporting to clean the problem and not enhance
> > it
> > > by
> > >> >> >>hate.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>4.  Where does "God Bless India" come in - or even India come in
> > >> since
> > >> >> >>     militancy is a global problem from Ceylon to Afghanistan to
> > > the
> > >> > US
> > >> >> >>     and Ireland
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>This pointless post has got me completely confused as to what
> > > you're
> > >> >> >>trying to say,
> > >> >> >>unless it's linked to a larger debate - in which case you should
> > >> > include
> > >> >> >>the debate.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Rgds, Partha
> > >> >> >>....................
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>On 9/13/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>>And the "intellectuals" will still have some
> > >> >> argument................god
> > >> >> >>>Bless India.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>On 9/13/07, Aditya Raj Kaul <adityarajkaul at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>*The agents of the 'enemy'** - Rediff News
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>*** *Srinagar.* January 25, 1990 Squadron Leader Ravi Khanna's
> >
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>misfortune
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>was that he was in uniform.
> > >> >> >>>>That winter morning nine years ago, he and his colleagues were
> >
> > >> > waiting
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>near
> > >> >> >>>>the Rawalpura bus stand. An Indian Air Force bus was to reach
> > > them
> > >> > to
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>the
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>airport.
> > >> >> >>>>At around 0730 hours a Maruti Gypsy and a two-wheeler carrying
> >
> > > four
> > >> > to
> > >> >> >>>>five
> > >> >> >>>>Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front militants drew up. The next
> > >> thing
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>that
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>Khanna knew was bullets pumping into his body. That was the
> > last
> > >> > thing
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>he
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>knew. Around him 13 more fell. Three of them dead, 10 were
> > > injured.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>Hardly
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>50 yards away was a Jammu and Kashmir police picket, manned by
> > a
> > >> > head
> > >> >> >>>>constable and seven subordinates. Their eight .303 rifles
> > > remained
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>silent
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>as
> > >> >> >>>>the militants finished emptying their weapons and, taking a
> > >> > clockwise
> > >> >> >>>>circuit of the roundabout ahead, vanished unhurriedly into
> > >> > Srinagar's
> > >> >> >>>>numerous back lanes.
> > >> >> >>>>*Even after he gave up the gun, JKLF leader Yasin Malik was to
> >
> > >> > defend
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>the
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>killings: The IAF personnel were not innocent victims. They
> > were
> > >> the
> > >> >> >>>>agents
> > >> >> >>>>of the 'enemy'. *
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>*--
> > >> >> >>>>Aditya Raj Kaul
> > >> >> >>>>Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
> > >> >> >>>>Campaign Blog: www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> > >> >> >>>>RIK Website: www.rootsinkashmir.org
> > >> >> >>>>US Website: www.unitedstudents.in*
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> > >> >> >>--
> > >> >> >>Partha Dasgupta (9811047132)
> > >> >> >> http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
> > >> >> >
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