[Reader-list] JKLF leader Yasin Malik says unarmed IAF officerswere agents of Enemy...defends killing them !

Partha Dasgupta parthaekka at gmail.com
Fri Sep 14 16:11:57 IST 2007 

Between crap and making a comment with sexual connotations, there's a huge
difference.

I don't know about you, but as a resident and believer in Bharat Mata, I do
hold the feminine as sacred and worthy of respect. My ethos as an Indian and
a son has taught me to give respect.

Yes, I do believe that a Hindu and a man from the land of Gandhi should know
how to behave.

And do you really think Zainab's talking of crap stuck in the head is at the
same level as the filthy sexual phrase mentioned by you? Would you respond
to the phrase "Oh Shit" that is used by kids today with sexually explicit
phrases like you used?

If yes, I am really worried about what my daughetr will go through in
school.

Rgds, Partha

On 9/14/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Partha ,
>
> I am not one who takes thing lying down . I wonder what made you think
> that i should be docile when Zainab wrote this about me
>
>  ">> Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet cleaning
> liquid.>> Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr. Durani's
> head >> refuses >> to go away ."
>
> Do you expect me to shower him/her with roses ?
>
> I only reply in the same tone as one deserves .
>
> Give respect ...take respect.......
>
> or do you think Hindus are not supposed to react like that ?
>
> So much for Psuedo Secular people like you .....and you did not have a
> word of advise for Zainab.
>
> Zainab perhaps should first learn to use a decent language, and learn it
> fast .
>
> Would you Zainab ?
>
>
> Pawan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/14/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Zainab,
> >
> > For the vouch part, am a happily married man with 3 lovely children
> > (though they do incite thoughts of violence at times!) - though that doesn't
> > mean much. For the rest, as far as my friends are concerned, am more
> > interested in their heart and thoughts than where they come from or what
> > religion they are.
> >
> > More than that, as an Indian and a male, I apologise for the pathetic
> > remark by Pawan.
> > .............................
> >
> > Pawan,
> > It's shocking to see the extremely rude reply you made. If you are
> > incapable of making a response then at least don't stoop to the level of
> > filthy curses.
> >
> > If nothing else, I do hope that you are worried about the impression of
> > India when a reasoned response is answered by trash like this.
> >
> > After your rape comment, this response of yours is extremely frightening
> > and off putting.
> >
> >  On 9/14/07, zainab < zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Pawan,
> > >
> > > God bless you!
> > > Peace be with you!
> > > India is great!
> > > Jai bharat!
> > > Jai bharat mata!
> > > Jai Bharat mata ke Pawan putra!
> > > Jai seeta ram!
> > > Jai ram ram!
> > > Jai hindustan!
> > > Jai hindu!
> > >
> > > Happy????
> > >
> > > Z
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:40:42 +0530, "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Zainab ,
> > > >
> > > > And do you have anything else stuck up as well ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/13/07, zainab < zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear Pawan,
> > > >>
> > > >> I feel quite safe in Shuddha's company despite being a woman and
> > > >> technically a Muslim and technically a citizen of this country
> > > called
> > > >> India. (I don't know Partha personally so I cannot vouch as
> > > > confidently!)
> > > >>
> > > >> And it seems that either there is a problem with your eyes or there
> > > is a
> > > >> problem with your brain's processing and comprehension mechanisms
> > > but it
> > > >> has been repeatedly said that none of us are (I am assuming) fans
> > > of
> > > > Yasin
> > > >> Malik's. Like Shuddha, I too condemn violence but also believe that
> > > when
> > > >> force is used against you and your voice is constantly being
> > > repressed
> > > > to
> > > >> the extent that you silenced when you try to speak, in these
> > > situations,
> > > >> we
> > > >> should not be surprised is violence is taken recourse to.
> > > >>
> > > >> Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet cleaning
> > > liquid.
> > > >> Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr. Durani's head
> > > >> refuses
> > > >> to go away!
> > > >>
> > > >> Best,
> > > >>
> > > >> Zainab
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:18:59 +0530, "Pawan Durani"
> > > > <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > Saddha Devi,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You have a basic problem with patriotism.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is it indeed natural for a soldier to get killed  ?
> > > >> > Is it natural for the killer like Yasin Malik to be a free man ?
> > > >> > Is it natural that even after so many years the charges against a
> > > >> > terrorist
> > > >> > has not been framed ?
> > > >> > Is it natural for a killer to have a fan following with
> > > > "intellectuals"
> > > >> > leading it?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If this all seems natural to you , then one should understand how
> > > safe
> > > >> the
> > > >> > Indians are with you and Partho as their co -citizens ?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Pawan
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 9/13/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta < shuddha at sarai.net > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Pawan Durani wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > What if I counter your first argument with ..."What's the
> > > point
> > > > that
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> woman
> > > >> >> > is molested , they are prone to it."
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Interesting, that Pawan Durani should think that it is natural
> > > that
> > > >> >> women should be 'prone' to being molested.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I personally think that there is a world of a difference between
> > > the
> > > >> >> estimation of risks that uniformed personnel of the armed forces
> > > in a
> > > >> >> combat zone knows that they faces, and the situation of being a
> > > > woman.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> No one can deny that a member of the armed forces, especially
> > > one in
> > > >> >> uniform, wears that uniform knowing fully well that in a
> > > situation of
> > > >> >> armed conflict, that uniform will mark him or her as a fair
> > > target.
> > > > If
> > > >> >> they did not know that, they would not have joined the armed
> > > forces.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> A soldier who wears a military uniform makes a choice to face
> > > and
> > > >> >> deliver aggression, if need be. A person who is born a woman
> > > does not
> > > >> >> make a choice to face molestation.  In fact in many societies,
> > > women
> > > > do
> > > >> >> not face the level of molestation that they do in lets say the
> > > > streets
> > > >> >> of Delhi, regardless of what they happen to be wearing. In most
> > > > cities
> > > >> >> in the world, women are not "prone to it" in the manner Durni
> > > > suggests
> > > >> >> they are.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> By equating these two very different kinds of situation, what
> > > Pawan
> > > >> >> Durani is saying is as follows - women are that special kind of
> > > > people
> > > >> >> who will naturally face molestation in any and every
> > > circumstance,
> > > > they
> > > >> >> are in his words "prone to it".
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It makes me ask a set of questions about the kind of man Pawan
> > > Durani
> > > >> >> is, and about the things that he is 'prone' to
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> the kind obviously, who (logically following through his
> > > argument)
> > > >> >> thinks that all women are fair game, as far as molestation goes,
> > >
> > > >> >> because, they "are prone to it".
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I think that we can conclude from this that no woman under any
> > > >> >> circumstances should feel safe in the company of Pawan Durani.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> regards
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Shuddha
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > Does that mean that we dont owe any responsibility.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > People like you have zero nationalism and negative
> > > intellectualism.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I would still say ...may God Bless even you , who does not
> > > care
> > > > even
> > > >> > for
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> > martyrs of his country.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > On 9/13/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >>Hi,
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>Not as an 'intellectual', but as an ordinary list reader, have
> > > some
> > > >> >> >>questions
> > > >> >> >>1.  What's the point - that a soldier was killed by a
> > > militant?
> > > >> >> >>     That's a part of their job profile. A tragic incident but
> > > a
> > > > part
> > > >> > of
> > > >> >> >>     the armed forces life. Just as a militant knows that
> > > he'll be
> > > >> >> >>     targetted by armed forces fire, armed forces know that
> > > they'll
> > > >> be
> > > >> >> >>     targetted by militants
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>2.  Yasin Malik didn't apologise? Well, that's his personal
> > > point
> > > > of
> > > >> >> view.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>     Like he has his, you have yours - and thy differ. This
> > > post is
> > > >> > not
> > > >> >> >>     marked to him so you're obviously not trying to change
> > > his
> > > > mind
> > > >> >> >>     and make him apologise.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>3.  We've all seen footage of armed forces showing unrelated
> > > people
> > > >> as
> > > >> >> >>     militants and cops showing innocent people as criminals
> > > so we
> > > >> > know
> > > >> >> >>     that both sides play dirty. That's a fact of life that
> > > needs
> > > > to
> > > >> > be
> > > >> >> >>faced
> > > >> >> >>     by unbiased reporting to clean the problem and not
> > > enhance it
> > > > by
> > > >> >> >>hate.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>4.  Where does "God Bless India" come in - or even India come
> > > in
> > > >> since
> > > >> >> >>     militancy is a global problem from Ceylon to Afghanistan
> > > to
> > > > the
> > > >> > US
> > > >> >> >>     and Ireland
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>This pointless post has got me completely confused as to what
> > > > you're
> > > >> >> >>trying to say,
> > > >> >> >>unless it's linked to a larger debate - in which case you
> > > should
> > > >> > include
> > > >> >> >>the debate.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>Rgds, Partha
> > > >> >> >>....................
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>On 9/13/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>>And the "intellectuals" will still have some
> > > >> >> argument................god
> > > >> >> >>>Bless India.
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>On 9/13/07, Aditya Raj Kaul < adityarajkaul at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>*The agents of the 'enemy'** - Rediff News
> > > >> >> >>>>
> > > >> >> >>>>*** *Srinagar.* January 25, 1990 Squadron Leader Ravi
> > > Khanna's
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>misfortune
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>was that he was in uniform.
> > > >> >> >>>>That winter morning nine years ago, he and his colleagues
> > > were
> > > >> > waiting
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>near
> > > >> >> >>>>the Rawalpura bus stand. An Indian Air Force bus was to
> > > reach
> > > > them
> > > >> > to
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>the
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>airport.
> > > >> >> >>>>At around 0730 hours a Maruti Gypsy and a two-wheeler
> > > carrying
> > > > four
> > > >> > to
> > > >> >> >>>>five
> > > >> >> >>>>Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front militants drew up. The
> > > next
> > > >> thing
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>that
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>Khanna knew was bullets pumping into his body. That was the
> > > last
> > > >> > thing
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>he
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>knew. Around him 13 more fell. Three of them dead, 10 were
> > > > injured.
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>Hardly
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>50 yards away was a Jammu and Kashmir police picket, manned
> > > by a
> > > >> > head
> > > >> >> >>>>constable and seven subordinates. Their eight .303 rifles
> > > > remained
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>silent
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>as
> > > >> >> >>>>the militants finished emptying their weapons and, taking a
> > > >> > clockwise
> > > >> >> >>>>circuit of the roundabout ahead, vanished unhurriedly into
> > > >> > Srinagar's
> > > >> >> >>>>numerous back lanes.
> > > >> >> >>>>*Even after he gave up the gun, JKLF leader Yasin Malik was
> > > to
> > > >> > defend
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>the
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>>killings: The IAF personnel were not innocent victims. They
> > > were
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> >>>>agents
> > > >> >> >>>>of the 'enemy'. *
> > > >> >> >>>>
> > > >> >> >>>>
> > > >> >> >>>>*--
> > > >> >> >>>>Aditya Raj Kaul
> > > >> >> >>>>Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
> > > >> >> >>>>Campaign Blog: www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> > > >> >> >>>>RIK Website: www.rootsinkashmir.org
> > > >> >> >>>>US Website: www.unitedstudents.in*
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> > > >> >> >>Partha Dasgupta (9811047132)
> > > >> >> >> http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
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