[Reader-list] JKLF leader Yasin Malik says unarmed IAF officerswere agents of Enemy...defends killing them !

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Fri Sep 14 17:19:25 IST 2007 

And where will the headless like you get stuck......no puns intended

On 9/14/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And you claim to be a Hindu and an Indian!!
>
> Crap for describing you is band on the spot. Congratulations, Zainab, for
> hitting the nail on the head in your description - except that I don't think
> it's stuck only in the head.
>
> On 9/14/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Zainab is a female , that is a fact know to you !
> >
> > And if Zainab write a crap , what would he /she expect in return ?
> >
> > As I said ....Give respect ...take respect......
> >
> > I only speak the language other understands.....and deserves.........
> >
> >
> > On 9/14/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Between crap and making a comment with sexual connotations, there's a
> > > huge difference.
> > >
> > > I don't know about you, but as a resident and believer in Bharat Mata,
> > > I do hold the feminine as sacred and worthy of respect. My ethos as an
> > > Indian and a son has taught me to give respect.
> > >
> > > Yes, I do believe that a Hindu and a man from the land of Gandhi
> > > should know how to behave.
> > >
> > > And do you really think Zainab's talking of crap stuck in the head is
> > > at the same level as the filthy sexual phrase mentioned by you? Would you
> > > respond to the phrase "Oh Shit" that is used by kids today with sexually
> > > explicit phrases like you used?
> > >
> > > If yes, I am really worried about what my daughetr will go through in
> > > school.
> > >
> > > Rgds, Partha
> > >
> > > On 9/14/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Partha ,
> > > >
> > > > I am not one who takes thing lying down . I wonder what made you
> > > > think that i should be docile when Zainab wrote this about me
> > > >
> > > >  ">> Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet
> > > > cleaning liquid.>> Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr.
> > > > Durani's head >> refuses >> to go away ."
> > > >
> > > > Do you expect me to shower him/her with roses ?
> > > >
> > > > I only reply in the same tone as one deserves .
> > > >
> > > > Give respect ...take respect.......
> > > >
> > > > or do you think Hindus are not supposed to react like that ?
> > > >
> > > > So much for Psuedo Secular people like you .....and you did not have
> > > > a word of advise for Zainab.
> > > >
> > > > Zainab perhaps should first learn to use a decent language, and
> > > > learn it fast .
> > > >
> > > > Would you Zainab ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pawan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/14/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Zainab,
> > > > >
> > > > > For the vouch part, am a happily married man with 3 lovely
> > > > > children (though they do incite thoughts of violence at times!) - though
> > > > > that doesn't mean much. For the rest, as far as my friends are concerned, am
> > > > > more interested in their heart and thoughts than where they come from or
> > > > > what religion they are.
> > > > >
> > > > > More than that, as an Indian and a male, I apologise for the
> > > > > pathetic remark by Pawan.
> > > > > .............................
> > > > >
> > > > > Pawan,
> > > > > It's shocking to see the extremely rude reply you made. If you are
> > > > > incapable of making a response then at least don't stoop to the level of
> > > > > filthy curses.
> > > > >
> > > > > If nothing else, I do hope that you are worried about the
> > > > > impression of India when a reasoned response is answered by trash like this.
> > > > >
> > > > > After your rape comment, this response of yours is extremely
> > > > > frightening and off putting.
> > > > >
> > > > >  On 9/14/07, zainab < zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Pawan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > God bless you!
> > > > > > Peace be with you!
> > > > > > India is great!
> > > > > > Jai bharat!
> > > > > > Jai bharat mata!
> > > > > > Jai Bharat mata ke Pawan putra!
> > > > > > Jai seeta ram!
> > > > > > Jai ram ram!
> > > > > > Jai hindustan!
> > > > > > Jai hindu!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Happy????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Z
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:40:42 +0530, "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Zainab ,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And do you have anything else stuck up as well ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/13/07, zainab < zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Dear Pawan,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I feel quite safe in Shuddha's company despite being a woman
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > >> technically a Muslim and technically a citizen of this
> > > > > > country called
> > > > > > >> India. (I don't know Partha personally so I cannot vouch as
> > > > > > > confidently!)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> And it seems that either there is a problem with your eyes or
> > > > > > there is a
> > > > > > >> problem with your brain's processing and comprehension
> > > > > > mechanisms but it
> > > > > > >> has been repeatedly said that none of us are (I am assuming)
> > > > > > fans of
> > > > > > > Yasin
> > > > > > >> Malik's. Like Shuddha, I too condemn violence but also
> > > > > > believe that when
> > > > > > >> force is used against you and your voice is constantly being
> > > > > > repressed
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> the extent that you silenced when you try to speak, in these
> > > > > > situations,
> > > > > > >> we
> > > > > > >> should not be surprised is violence is taken recourse to.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet
> > > > > > cleaning liquid.
> > > > > > >> Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr.
> > > > > > Durani's head
> > > > > > >> refuses
> > > > > > >> to go away!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Best,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Zainab
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:18:59 +0530, "Pawan Durani"
> > > > > > > <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Saddha Devi,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > You have a basic problem with patriotism.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Is it indeed natural for a soldier to get killed  ?
> > > > > > >> > Is it natural for the killer like Yasin Malik to be a free
> > > > > > man ?
> > > > > > >> > Is it natural that even after so many years the charges
> > > > > > against a
> > > > > > >> > terrorist
> > > > > > >> > has not been framed ?
> > > > > > >> > Is it natural for a killer to have a fan following with
> > > > > > > "intellectuals"
> > > > > > >> > leading it?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > If this all seems natural to you , then one should
> > > > > > understand how safe
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > Indians are with you and Partho as their co -citizens ?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Pawan
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On 9/13/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta < shuddha at sarai.net >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> Pawan Durani wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> > What if I counter your first argument with ..."What's
> > > > > > the point
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > >> >> woman
> > > > > > >> >> > is molested , they are prone to it."
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Interesting, that Pawan Durani should think that it is
> > > > > > natural that
> > > > > > >> >> women should be 'prone' to being molested.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I personally think that there is a world of a difference
> > > > > > between the
> > > > > > >> >> estimation of risks that uniformed personnel of the armed
> > > > > > forces in a
> > > > > > >> >> combat zone knows that they faces, and the situation of
> > > > > > being a
> > > > > > > woman.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> No one can deny that a member of the armed forces,
> > > > > > especially one in
> > > > > > >> >> uniform, wears that uniform knowing fully well that in a
> > > > > > situation of
> > > > > > >> >> armed conflict, that uniform will mark him or her as a
> > > > > > fair target.
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > >> >> they did not know that, they would not have joined the
> > > > > > armed forces.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> A soldier who wears a military uniform makes a choice to
> > > > > > face and
> > > > > > >> >> deliver aggression, if need be. A person who is born a
> > > > > > woman does not
> > > > > > >> >> make a choice to face molestation.  In fact in many
> > > > > > societies, women
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > >> >> not face the level of molestation that they do in lets say
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > streets
> > > > > > >> >> of Delhi, regardless of what they happen to be wearing. In
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > > cities
> > > > > > >> >> in the world, women are not "prone to it" in the manner
> > > > > > Durni
> > > > > > > suggests
> > > > > > >> >> they are.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> By equating these two very different kinds of situation,
> > > > > > what Pawan
> > > > > > >> >> Durani is saying is as follows - women are that special
> > > > > > kind of
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > >> >> who will naturally face molestation in any and every
> > > > > > circumstance,
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > >> >> are in his words "prone to it".
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> It makes me ask a set of questions about the kind of man
> > > > > > Pawan Durani
> > > > > > >> >> is, and about the things that he is 'prone' to
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> the kind obviously, who (logically following through his
> > > > > > argument)
> > > > > > >> >> thinks that all women are fair game, as far as molestation
> > > > > > goes,
> > > > > > >> >> because, they "are prone to it".
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I think that we can conclude from this that no woman under
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > >> >> circumstances should feel safe in the company of Pawan
> > > > > > Durani.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> regards
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Shuddha
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> > Does that mean that we dont owe any responsibility.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > People like you have zero nationalism and negative
> > > > > > intellectualism.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > I would still say ...may God Bless even you , who does
> > > > > > not care
> > > > > > > even
> > > > > > >> > for
> > > > > > >> >> the
> > > > > > >> >> > martyrs of his country.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > On 9/13/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> >>Hi,
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>Not as an 'intellectual', but as an ordinary list
> > > > > > reader, have some
> > > > > > >> >> >>questions
> > > > > > >> >> >>1.  What's the point - that a soldier was killed by a
> > > > > > militant?
> > > > > > >> >> >>     That's a part of their job profile. A tragic
> > > > > > incident but a
> > > > > > > part
> > > > > > >> > of
> > > > > > >> >> >>     the armed forces life. Just as a militant knows
> > > > > > that he'll be
> > > > > > >> >> >>     targetted by armed forces fire, armed forces know
> > > > > > that they'll
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >> >> >>     targetted by militants
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>2.  Yasin Malik didn't apologise? Well, that's his
> > > > > > personal point
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >> >> view.
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>     Like he has his, you have yours - and thy differ.
> > > > > > This post is
> > > > > > >> > not
> > > > > > >> >> >>     marked to him so you're obviously not trying to
> > > > > > change his
> > > > > > > mind
> > > > > > >> >> >>     and make him apologise.
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>3.  We've all seen footage of armed forces showing
> > > > > > unrelated people
> > > > > > >> as
> > > > > > >> >> >>     militants and cops showing innocent people as
> > > > > > criminals so we
> > > > > > >> > know
> > > > > > >> >> >>     that both sides play dirty. That's a fact of life
> > > > > > that needs
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > be
> > > > > > >> >> >>faced
> > > > > > >> >> >>     by unbiased reporting to clean the problem and not
> > > > > > enhance it
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > >> >> >>hate.
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>4.  Where does "God Bless India" come in - or even India
> > > > > > come in
> > > > > > >> since
> > > > > > >> >> >>     militancy is a global problem from Ceylon to
> > > > > > Afghanistan to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > US
> > > > > > >> >> >>     and Ireland
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>This pointless post has got me completely confused as to
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > you're
> > > > > > >> >> >>trying to say,
> > > > > > >> >> >>unless it's linked to a larger debate - in which case
> > > > > > you should
> > > > > > >> > include
> > > > > > >> >> >>the debate.
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > >> >> >>....................
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>On 9/13/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>And the "intellectuals" will still have some
> > > > > > >> >> argument................god
> > > > > > >> >> >>>Bless India.
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>On 9/13/07, Aditya Raj Kaul < adityarajkaul at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>*The agents of the 'enemy'** - Rediff News
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>*** *Srinagar.* January 25, 1990 Squadron Leader Ravi
> > > > > > Khanna's
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>misfortune
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>was that he was in uniform.
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>That winter morning nine years ago, he and his
> > > > > > colleagues were
> > > > > > >> > waiting
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>near
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>the Rawalpura bus stand. An Indian Air Force bus was
> > > > > > to reach
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > >> > to
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>the
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>airport.
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>At around 0730 hours a Maruti Gypsy and a two-wheeler
> > > > > > carrying
> > > > > > > four
> > > > > > >> > to
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>five
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front militants drew up.
> > > > > > The next
> > > > > > >> thing
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>that
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>Khanna knew was bullets pumping into his body. That
> > > > > > was the last
> > > > > > >> > thing
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>he
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>knew. Around him 13 more fell. Three of them dead, 10
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > injured.
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>Hardly
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>50 yards away was a Jammu and Kashmir police picket,
> > > > > > manned by a
> > > > > > >> > head
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>constable and seven subordinates. Their eight .303
> > > > > > rifles
> > > > > > > remained
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>silent
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>as
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>the militants finished emptying their weapons and,
> > > > > > taking a
> > > > > > >> > clockwise
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>circuit of the roundabout ahead, vanished unhurriedly
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > >> > Srinagar's
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>numerous back lanes.
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>*Even after he gave up the gun, JKLF leader Yasin
> > > > > > Malik was to
> > > > > > >> > defend
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>the
> > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>killings: The IAF personnel were not innocent victims.
> > > > > > They were
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>agents
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>of the 'enemy'. *
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>*--
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>Aditya Raj Kaul
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>Campaign Blog: www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>RIK Website: www.rootsinkashmir.org
> > > > > > >> >> >>>>US Website: www.unitedstudents.in*
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> > > > > > >> >> >> http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
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