[Reader-list] JKLF leader Yasin Malik says unarmed IAF officerswere agents of Enemy...defends killing them !

Partha Dasgupta parthaekka at gmail.com
Fri Sep 14 17:36:41 IST 2007 

Stuck here with you, and the stink is overwhelming.

If you can construct an argument based in fact and reason (and you still
haven't been able to answer the original question or any of the subsequent
ones), then let's debate the issue.

Those questions are still a part of this post. However, in case you have
problems finding it, can copy and paste them again.

If not, why post junk and abuse? Stick to blogging where no one will
question your illogical and unfounded rants.

Rgds, Partha

On 9/14/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And where will the headless like you get stuck......no puns intended
>
> On 9/14/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > And you claim to be a Hindu and an Indian!!
> >
> > Crap for describing you is band on the spot. Congratulations, Zainab,
> > for hitting the nail on the head in your description - except that I don't
> > think it's stuck only in the head.
> >
> > On 9/14/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Zainab is a female , that is a fact know to you !
> > >
> > > And if Zainab write a crap , what would he /she expect in return ?
> > >
> > > As I said ....Give respect ...take respect......
> > >
> > > I only speak the language other understands.....and deserves.........
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/14/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Between crap and making a comment with sexual connotations, there's
> > > > a huge difference.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know about you, but as a resident and believer in Bharat
> > > > Mata, I do hold the feminine as sacred and worthy of respect. My ethos as an
> > > > Indian and a son has taught me to give respect.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I do believe that a Hindu and a man from the land of Gandhi
> > > > should know how to behave.
> > > >
> > > > And do you really think Zainab's talking of crap stuck in the head
> > > > is at the same level as the filthy sexual phrase mentioned by you? Would you
> > > > respond to the phrase "Oh Shit" that is used by kids today with sexually
> > > > explicit phrases like you used?
> > > >
> > > > If yes, I am really worried about what my daughetr will go through
> > > > in school.
> > > >
> > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > >
> > > > On 9/14/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Partha ,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not one who takes thing lying down . I wonder what made you
> > > > > think that i should be docile when Zainab wrote this about me
> > > > >
> > > > >  ">> Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet
> > > > > cleaning liquid.>> Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr.
> > > > > Durani's head >> refuses >> to go away ."
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you expect me to shower him/her with roses ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I only reply in the same tone as one deserves .
> > > > >
> > > > > Give respect ...take respect.......
> > > > >
> > > > > or do you think Hindus are not supposed to react like that ?
> > > > >
> > > > > So much for Psuedo Secular people like you .....and you did not
> > > > > have a word of advise for Zainab.
> > > > >
> > > > > Zainab perhaps should first learn to use a decent language, and
> > > > > learn it fast .
> > > > >
> > > > > Would you Zainab ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pawan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/14/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Zainab,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the vouch part, am a happily married man with 3 lovely
> > > > > > children (though they do incite thoughts of violence at times!) - though
> > > > > > that doesn't mean much. For the rest, as far as my friends are concerned, am
> > > > > > more interested in their heart and thoughts than where they come from or
> > > > > > what religion they are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More than that, as an Indian and a male, I apologise for the
> > > > > > pathetic remark by Pawan.
> > > > > > .............................
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pawan,
> > > > > > It's shocking to see the extremely rude reply you made. If you
> > > > > > are incapable of making a response then at least don't stoop to the level of
> > > > > > filthy curses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If nothing else, I do hope that you are worried about the
> > > > > > impression of India when a reasoned response is answered by trash like this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After your rape comment, this response of yours is extremely
> > > > > > frightening and off putting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  On 9/14/07, zainab < zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Pawan,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > God bless you!
> > > > > > > Peace be with you!
> > > > > > > India is great!
> > > > > > > Jai bharat!
> > > > > > > Jai bharat mata!
> > > > > > > Jai Bharat mata ke Pawan putra!
> > > > > > > Jai seeta ram!
> > > > > > > Jai ram ram!
> > > > > > > Jai hindustan!
> > > > > > > Jai hindu!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Happy????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Z
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:40:42 +0530, "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Zainab ,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And do you have anything else stuck up as well ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 9/13/07, zainab < zainab at mail.xtdnet.nl> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Dear Pawan,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I feel quite safe in Shuddha's company despite being a
> > > > > > > woman and
> > > > > > > >> technically a Muslim and technically a citizen of this
> > > > > > > country called
> > > > > > > >> India. (I don't know Partha personally so I cannot vouch as
> > > > > > > > confidently!)
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> And it seems that either there is a problem with your eyes
> > > > > > > or there is a
> > > > > > > >> problem with your brain's processing and comprehension
> > > > > > > mechanisms but it
> > > > > > > >> has been repeatedly said that none of us are (I am
> > > > > > > assuming) fans of
> > > > > > > > Yasin
> > > > > > > >> Malik's. Like Shuddha, I too condemn violence but also
> > > > > > > believe that when
> > > > > > > >> force is used against you and your voice is constantly
> > > > > > > being repressed
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> the extent that you silenced when you try to speak, in
> > > > > > > these situations,
> > > > > > > >> we
> > > > > > > >> should not be surprised is violence is taken recourse to.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Perhaps Shuddha you need to change your brand of toilet
> > > > > > > cleaning liquid.
> > > > > > > >> Despite repeated postings, the hard stuck crap in Mr.
> > > > > > > Durani's head
> > > > > > > >> refuses
> > > > > > > >> to go away!
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Best,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Zainab
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:18:59 +0530, "Pawan Durani"
> > > > > > > > <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > Saddha Devi,
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > You have a basic problem with patriotism.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Is it indeed natural for a soldier to get killed  ?
> > > > > > > >> > Is it natural for the killer like Yasin Malik to be a
> > > > > > > free man ?
> > > > > > > >> > Is it natural that even after so many years the charges
> > > > > > > against a
> > > > > > > >> > terrorist
> > > > > > > >> > has not been framed ?
> > > > > > > >> > Is it natural for a killer to have a fan following with
> > > > > > > > "intellectuals"
> > > > > > > >> > leading it?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > If this all seems natural to you , then one should
> > > > > > > understand how safe
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> > Indians are with you and Partho as their co -citizens ?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Pawan
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > On 9/13/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta < shuddha at sarai.net >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> Pawan Durani wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > What if I counter your first argument with ..."What's
> > > > > > > the point
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > > >> >> woman
> > > > > > > >> >> > is molested , they are prone to it."
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Interesting, that Pawan Durani should think that it is
> > > > > > > natural that
> > > > > > > >> >> women should be 'prone' to being molested.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> I personally think that there is a world of a difference
> > > > > > > between the
> > > > > > > >> >> estimation of risks that uniformed personnel of the
> > > > > > > armed forces in a
> > > > > > > >> >> combat zone knows that they faces, and the situation of
> > > > > > > being a
> > > > > > > > woman.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> No one can deny that a member of the armed forces,
> > > > > > > especially one in
> > > > > > > >> >> uniform, wears that uniform knowing fully well that in a
> > > > > > > situation of
> > > > > > > >> >> armed conflict, that uniform will mark him or her as a
> > > > > > > fair target.
> > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > >> >> they did not know that, they would not have joined the
> > > > > > > armed forces.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> A soldier who wears a military uniform makes a choice to
> > > > > > > face and
> > > > > > > >> >> deliver aggression, if need be. A person who is born a
> > > > > > > woman does not
> > > > > > > >> >> make a choice to face molestation.  In fact in many
> > > > > > > societies, women
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > >> >> not face the level of molestation that they do in lets
> > > > > > > say the
> > > > > > > > streets
> > > > > > > >> >> of Delhi, regardless of what they happen to be wearing.
> > > > > > > In most
> > > > > > > > cities
> > > > > > > >> >> in the world, women are not "prone to it" in the manner
> > > > > > > Durni
> > > > > > > > suggests
> > > > > > > >> >> they are.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> By equating these two very different kinds of situation,
> > > > > > > what Pawan
> > > > > > > >> >> Durani is saying is as follows - women are that special
> > > > > > > kind of
> > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > >> >> who will naturally face molestation in any and every
> > > > > > > circumstance,
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > >> >> are in his words "prone to it".
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> It makes me ask a set of questions about the kind of man
> > > > > > > Pawan Durani
> > > > > > > >> >> is, and about the things that he is 'prone' to
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> the kind obviously, who (logically following through his
> > > > > > > argument)
> > > > > > > >> >> thinks that all women are fair game, as far as
> > > > > > > molestation goes,
> > > > > > > >> >> because, they "are prone to it".
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> I think that we can conclude from this that no woman
> > > > > > > under any
> > > > > > > >> >> circumstances should feel safe in the company of Pawan
> > > > > > > Durani.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> regards
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Shuddha
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > Does that mean that we dont owe any responsibility.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > People like you have zero nationalism and negative
> > > > > > > intellectualism.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > I would still say ...may God Bless even you , who does
> > > > > > > not care
> > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > >> > for
> > > > > > > >> >> the
> > > > > > > >> >> > martyrs of his country.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > On 9/13/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> >>Hi,
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>Not as an 'intellectual', but as an ordinary list
> > > > > > > reader, have some
> > > > > > > >> >> >>questions
> > > > > > > >> >> >>1.  What's the point - that a soldier was killed by a
> > > > > > > militant?
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     That's a part of their job profile. A tragic
> > > > > > > incident but a
> > > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > >> > of
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     the armed forces life. Just as a militant knows
> > > > > > > that he'll be
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     targetted by armed forces fire, armed forces know
> > > > > > > that they'll
> > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     targetted by militants
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>2.  Yasin Malik didn't apologise? Well, that's his
> > > > > > > personal point
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >> >> view.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     Like he has his, you have yours - and thy differ.
> > > > > > > This post is
> > > > > > > >> > not
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     marked to him so you're obviously not trying to
> > > > > > > change his
> > > > > > > > mind
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     and make him apologise.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>3.  We've all seen footage of armed forces showing
> > > > > > > unrelated people
> > > > > > > >> as
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     militants and cops showing innocent people as
> > > > > > > criminals so we
> > > > > > > >> > know
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     that both sides play dirty. That's a fact of life
> > > > > > > that needs
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> > be
> > > > > > > >> >> >>faced
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     by unbiased reporting to clean the problem and
> > > > > > > not enhance it
> > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > >> >> >>hate.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>4.  Where does "God Bless India" come in - or even
> > > > > > > India come in
> > > > > > > >> since
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     militancy is a global problem from Ceylon to
> > > > > > > Afghanistan to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> > US
> > > > > > > >> >> >>     and Ireland
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>This pointless post has got me completely confused as
> > > > > > > to what
> > > > > > > > you're
> > > > > > > >> >> >>trying to say,
> > > > > > > >> >> >>unless it's linked to a larger debate - in which case
> > > > > > > you should
> > > > > > > >> > include
> > > > > > > >> >> >>the debate.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > > >> >> >>....................
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>On 9/13/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>And the "intellectuals" will still have some
> > > > > > > >> >> argument................god
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>Bless India.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>On 9/13/07, Aditya Raj Kaul < adityarajkaul at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>*The agents of the 'enemy'** - Rediff News
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>*** *Srinagar.* January 25, 1990 Squadron Leader
> > > > > > > Ravi Khanna's
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>misfortune
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>was that he was in uniform.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>That winter morning nine years ago, he and his
> > > > > > > colleagues were
> > > > > > > >> > waiting
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>near
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>the Rawalpura bus stand. An Indian Air Force bus was
> > > > > > > to reach
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > >> > to
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>the
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>airport.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>At around 0730 hours a Maruti Gypsy and a
> > > > > > > two-wheeler carrying
> > > > > > > > four
> > > > > > > >> > to
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>five
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front militants drew
> > > > > > > up. The next
> > > > > > > >> thing
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>that
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>Khanna knew was bullets pumping into his body. That
> > > > > > > was the last
> > > > > > > >> > thing
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>he
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>knew. Around him 13 more fell. Three of them dead,
> > > > > > > 10 were
> > > > > > > > injured.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>Hardly
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>50 yards away was a Jammu and Kashmir police picket,
> > > > > > > manned by a
> > > > > > > >> > head
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>constable and seven subordinates. Their eight .303
> > > > > > > rifles
> > > > > > > > remained
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>silent
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>as
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>the militants finished emptying their weapons and,
> > > > > > > taking a
> > > > > > > >> > clockwise
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>circuit of the roundabout ahead, vanished
> > > > > > > unhurriedly into
> > > > > > > >> > Srinagar's
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>numerous back lanes.
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>*Even after he gave up the gun, JKLF leader Yasin
> > > > > > > Malik was to
> > > > > > > >> > defend
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>the
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>killings: The IAF personnel were not innocent
> > > > > > > victims. They were
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>agents
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>of the 'enemy'. *
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>*--
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>Aditya Raj Kaul
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>Campaign Blog: www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>RIK Website: www.rootsinkashmir.org
> > > > > > > >> >> >>>>US Website: www.unitedstudents.in*
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> > > > > > > >> >> >>Partha Dasgupta (9811047132)
> > > > > > > >> >> >> http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
> > > > > > > >> >> >
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