[Reader-list] Lists and assaults

Partha Dasgupta parthaekka at gmail.com
Sat Sep 15 13:28:53 IST 2007 

Hi Pawan,

He obviously hasn't been pardoned by you. Amongst the many things that you
told me, why not tell me one thing more that I asked - why shouldn't I cry
out for a 'Greater Bangla' and ignore your's of J&K.

I see the passion and the pain, but I don't see the reason.

Rgds, Partha

On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Partha ,
>
> Didn't I tell you that the terrorist has not been pardoned by the law ,
> unless you chose to ignore that.
>
>
> Pawan
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Pawan,
> >
> > We go back to the same loop of only looking at a part of a debate, out
> > of it's context.
> >
> > Let me get back to where I set off from - why don't we start agitating
> > for Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka...
> >
> > When do we stop the killing and look after the living?
> >
> > You talk of the constitution of India, and then rail at the ones who
> > have been pardoned and believed by the same constitution.
> >
> > Just because you don't believe is something or someone doesn't mean
> > everyone else has to - UNLESS there is a reasoned argument behind that cause
> > - and I haven't seen one as yet.
> >
> > Like I've said time and again - show me the reason. Else, why shouldn't
> > I drown out your shouts for J&K for my call for a 'Greater Bangla' (or
> > whatever else) just because I am blinkered to everything else.
> >
> > Rgds, Partha
> > .........................................
> > On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 9/15/07, Partha Dasgupta parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote
> > >
> > > >>>>>>You 'ask for a terrorist to be brought to justice' forgetting
> > > the path forged by JP in including the outsiders and bringing them into
> > > civil society.
> > > Do you really want to continue the cycle of hate? An eye for an eye -
> > > is that the point so that we go on and on killing. More and more, till the
> > > bodies pile up and all that is left is a ravaged landscape. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > Partha ,
> > > We live in a country where the constitution exists. general amnesty to
> > > all criminals ,especially terrorists is a very dangerous thought.
> > >
> > > We can not go on and start defending people for they are *supposed* to
> > > have been reformed [ or become political ] . Justice has to be served for
> > > their deeds. These people have been source of violence against innconets ,
> > > and responsible for making a race homeless.
> > >
> > > As the Pope Greogery VII  had once said and this may hold true for me
> > > ,"I have loved justice and hated inequity; and therefore I die in exile."
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Pawan Durani
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Pawan,
> > > >
> > > > What you have provoked me into thinking about is how far this
> > > > "gimme" attitude will go. As a father, I stop my youngest from doing it with
> > > > his elder siblings since he's at the age when everything is 'mine'.
> > > >
> > > > Should I demand back Bangladesh, since as a Bengali my roots are
> > > > there?
> > > >
> > > > Should I demand back Pakistan, where hundreds of thousands of
> > > > Indians have there roots?
> > > >
> > > > Should I demand back Sri Lanka where Ram made his conquest (and it
> > > > resides in the Indian Ocean)
> > > >
> > > > You 'ask for a terrorist to be brought to justice' forgetting the
> > > > path forged by JP in including the outsiders and bringing them into civil
> > > > society.
> > > >
> > > > Do you really want to continue the cycle of hate? An eye for an eye
> > > > - is that the point so that we go on and on killing. More and more, till the
> > > > bodies pile up and all that is left is a ravaged landscape.
> > > >
> > > > Or do we look at what the government has finally figured out - an
> > > > 'inclusive' debate wherein concerned parties form a common consensus - which
> > > > also cuts down the enforced mortality rate.
> > > >
> > > > Sure, I can block you off with spam - but that would allow you to
> > > > write whatever you want as I sit silent. The same attitude in Germany that
> > > > allowed Hitler to come to power and destroy decades of sensibility and
> > > > almost wipe out a tribe. I can't because I have growing children and I hope
> > > > that they will emerge into a reasoned society instead of a regimented one.
> > > >
> > > > You talk of the homeless because your home was taken away. That's
> > > > personal so you care - and forget the pain of separation in India or the
> > > > Nandigrams and dams that have caused so much pain.
> > > >
> > > > "But the dams are for the greater good" - in that case, wouldn't
> > > > letting peace reign in J&K be for the greater good?
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure you have 50+ subscribers writing to you offline, maybe
> > > > more. Good for you. If they're that proud of you, why slide offline and
> > > > write? Keep the debate in the public forum unless you're ashamed of your
> > > > views.
> > > >
> > > > When I wrote to you about the Yasin Malik post, all I enquired about
> > > > was the reason and logic of the debate you wanted to start. Since this is
> > > > not a blog or a 'me too' mass mail, the whole point about a post here is to
> > > > raise debate.
> > > >
> > > > Till date, though we've reached the level of personal denigration,
> > > > we have not had a debate on the central issue, and not a single response to
> > > > the questions I asked.
> > > >
> > > > That you have a passion for J&K is an undeniable fact. However, just
> > > > as I have a passion for Bengal, to present the case to you I must base my
> > > > argument in reason and not gung-ho platitudes about heads and hearts. That's
> > > > for polticians making a speech for elections - while this is a forum to
> > > > discuss and debate viewpoints.
> > > >
> > > > If you have a point and a reason, let's talk. If not, why throw up
> > > > tons of dust in the air? Sure, it'll obfuscate the issue and drown out
> > > > everything else and make me dirty. But you're there too, and you will get
> > > > just as dirty. Like every other day I'll take a bath and start off again.
> > > >
> > > > If you truly believe that you have a point that you can get across,
> > > > then explain it and I will listen. If you stick to loud noises then I will
> > > > make more noises so that my children hopefully get to see an India where
> > > > reason and love form the core of society - not hate and intolerence.
> > > >
> > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > >
> > > >  On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Anamika ,
> > > > >
> > > > > That is what I was trying to provoke the likes of Suddha , Partha
> > > > > and Zainab
> > > > > to think into.
> > > > >
> > > > > When they talk about freedom of expression , that means the
> > > > > liberty to
> > > > > portray a terrorist as a moderan day Gandhi .
> > > > >
> > > > > And when I express my desire that a terrorist has to be bought to
> > > > > justice ,
> > > > > they find it pushing and then use some unparliamentary words.
> > > > >
> > > > > If my expression of resentment for a man who has made me homeless
> > > > > is not
> > > > > acceptable in freedom of speech , I wonder what else is ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I would continue to drag the issue below or above the belt as long
> > > > > as the
> > > > > terrorist is not bought to justice. if someone is not interested a
> > > > > button is
> > > > > needed to delete the mail or put me on SPAM . That is a gift
> > > > > technology has
> > > > > given to us.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if I interest you , you would continue to read me.
> > > > >
> > > > > To put on record I have around 50 + subscribers of readers-list
> > > > > writing to
> > > > > me offline and appreciating my concern.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who knows, the way things are turning , 20 years down the line
> > > > > your child
> > > > > may be writing the same stuff which I write now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pawan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 14 Sep 2007 23:19:52 -0000, Anamika Bhatnagar <
> > > > > bhatnagar_anamika at rediffmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Man...I am seriously irritated by these stupid replies and
> > > > > counter replies
> > > > > > ...true...that
> > > > > > freedom of speech must be maintained and preserved but
> > > > > these...pawan and
> > > > > > company drag
> > > > > > it below the belt...it is so difficult to have a constructive
> > > > > argument
> > > > > > with them..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 Rana Dasgupta wrote :
> > > > > > >Rana Dasgupta wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Given the seriousness of some of the issues at stake, and
> > > > > the enormous
> > > > > > > > gulfs of understanding between some of the contributors, I
> > > > > have to say
> > > > > > > > I've admired the restraint of many of the writers on the
> > > > > list.  People
> > > > > > > > have held themselves back from expressing outright disgust,
> > > > > or from
> > > > > > > > violent attacks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I take it all back.
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