[Reader-list] Lists and assaults

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Sat Sep 15 13:49:01 IST 2007 

Partha ,

I have no love for the killers or terrorists. They do NOT deserve it.

Neither do I serve Justice , but I do CRY for it.

Ofcourse I have not pardoned Yasin Malik the terrorist , and more ever
he has NOT regreted any of his killings.

Regarding the "Greater Bangla " issue , i have no knowledge as of now about
it , and hence would not like to comment on that .I am not an expert of life
on everything or life on mars ....like few of the people here are.

God Bless

Pawan


On 9/15/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Pawan,
>
> He obviously hasn't been pardoned by you. Amongst the many things that you
> told me, why not tell me one thing more that I asked - why shouldn't I cry
> out for a 'Greater Bangla' and ignore your's of J&K.
>
> I see the passion and the pain, but I don't see the reason.
>
> Rgds, Partha
>
> On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Partha ,
> >
> > Didn't I tell you that the terrorist has not been pardoned by the law ,
> > unless you chose to ignore that.
> >
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> >
> >  On 9/15/07, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Pawan,
> > >
> > > We go back to the same loop of only looking at a part of a debate, out
> > > of it's context.
> > >
> > > Let me get back to where I set off from - why don't we start agitating
> > > for Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka...
> > >
> > > When do we stop the killing and look after the living?
> > >
> > > You talk of the constitution of India, and then rail at the ones who
> > > have been pardoned and believed by the same constitution.
> > >
> > > Just because you don't believe is something or someone doesn't mean
> > > everyone else has to - UNLESS there is a reasoned argument behind that cause
> > > - and I haven't seen one as yet.
> > >
> > > Like I've said time and again - show me the reason. Else, why
> > > shouldn't I drown out your shouts for J&K for my call for a 'Greater Bangla'
> > > (or whatever else) just because I am blinkered to everything else.
> > >
> > > Rgds, Partha
> > > .........................................
> > > On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 9/15/07, Partha Dasgupta parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>>You 'ask for a terrorist to be brought to justice' forgetting
> > > > the path forged by JP in including the outsiders and bringing them into
> > > > civil society.
> > > > Do you really want to continue the cycle of hate? An eye for an eye
> > > > - is that the point so that we go on and on killing. More and more, till the
> > > > bodies pile up and all that is left is a ravaged landscape. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >
> > > > Partha ,
> > > > We live in a country where the constitution exists. general amnesty
> > > > to all criminals ,especially terrorists is a very dangerous thought.
> > > >
> > > > We can not go on and start defending people for they are *supposed*
> > > > to have been reformed [ or become political ] . Justice has to be served for
> > > > their deeds. These people have been source of violence against innconets ,
> > > > and responsible for making a race homeless.
> > > >
> > > > As the Pope Greogery VII  had once said and this may hold true for
> > > > me ,"I have loved justice and hated inequity; and therefore I die in exile."
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Pawan Durani
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Pawan,
> > > > >
> > > > > What you have provoked me into thinking about is how far this
> > > > > "gimme" attitude will go. As a father, I stop my youngest from doing it with
> > > > > his elder siblings since he's at the age when everything is 'mine'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Should I demand back Bangladesh, since as a Bengali my roots are
> > > > > there?
> > > > >
> > > > > Should I demand back Pakistan, where hundreds of thousands of
> > > > > Indians have there roots?
> > > > >
> > > > > Should I demand back Sri Lanka where Ram made his conquest (and it
> > > > > resides in the Indian Ocean)
> > > > >
> > > > > You 'ask for a terrorist to be brought to justice' forgetting the
> > > > > path forged by JP in including the outsiders and bringing them into civil
> > > > > society.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you really want to continue the cycle of hate? An eye for an
> > > > > eye - is that the point so that we go on and on killing. More and more, till
> > > > > the bodies pile up and all that is left is a ravaged landscape.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or do we look at what the government has finally figured out - an
> > > > > 'inclusive' debate wherein concerned parties form a common consensus - which
> > > > > also cuts down the enforced mortality rate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure, I can block you off with spam - but that would allow you to
> > > > > write whatever you want as I sit silent. The same attitude in Germany that
> > > > > allowed Hitler to come to power and destroy decades of sensibility and
> > > > > almost wipe out a tribe. I can't because I have growing children and I hope
> > > > > that they will emerge into a reasoned society instead of a regimented one.
> > > > >
> > > > > You talk of the homeless because your home was taken away. That's
> > > > > personal so you care - and forget the pain of separation in India or the
> > > > > Nandigrams and dams that have caused so much pain.
> > > > >
> > > > > "But the dams are for the greater good" - in that case, wouldn't
> > > > > letting peace reign in J&K be for the greater good?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure you have 50+ subscribers writing to you offline, maybe
> > > > > more. Good for you. If they're that proud of you, why slide offline and
> > > > > write? Keep the debate in the public forum unless you're ashamed of your
> > > > > views.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I wrote to you about the Yasin Malik post, all I enquired
> > > > > about was the reason and logic of the debate you wanted to start. Since this
> > > > > is not a blog or a 'me too' mass mail, the whole point about a post here is
> > > > > to raise debate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Till date, though we've reached the level of personal denigration,
> > > > > we have not had a debate on the central issue, and not a single response to
> > > > > the questions I asked.
> > > > >
> > > > > That you have a passion for J&K is an undeniable fact. However,
> > > > > just as I have a passion for Bengal, to present the case to you I must base
> > > > > my argument in reason and not gung-ho platitudes about heads and hearts.
> > > > > That's for polticians making a speech for elections - while this is a forum
> > > > > to discuss and debate viewpoints.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have a point and a reason, let's talk. If not, why throw up
> > > > > tons of dust in the air? Sure, it'll obfuscate the issue and drown out
> > > > > everything else and make me dirty. But you're there too, and you will get
> > > > > just as dirty. Like every other day I'll take a bath and start off again.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you truly believe that you have a point that you can get
> > > > > across, then explain it and I will listen. If you stick to loud noises then
> > > > > I will make more noises so that my children hopefully get to see an India
> > > > > where reason and love form the core of society - not hate and intolerence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > >
> > > > >  On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Anamika ,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is what I was trying to provoke the likes of Suddha ,
> > > > > > Partha and Zainab
> > > > > > to think into.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When they talk about freedom of expression , that means the
> > > > > > liberty to
> > > > > > portray a terrorist as a moderan day Gandhi .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And when I express my desire that a terrorist has to be bought
> > > > > > to justice ,
> > > > > > they find it pushing and then use some unparliamentary words.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If my expression of resentment for a man who has made me
> > > > > > homeless is not
> > > > > > acceptable in freedom of speech , I wonder what else is ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would continue to drag the issue below or above the belt as
> > > > > > long as the
> > > > > > terrorist is not bought to justice. if someone is not interested
> > > > > > a button is
> > > > > > needed to delete the mail or put me on SPAM . That is a gift
> > > > > > technology has
> > > > > > given to us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But if I interest you , you would continue to read me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To put on record I have around 50 + subscribers of readers-list
> > > > > > writing to
> > > > > > me offline and appreciating my concern.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who knows, the way things are turning , 20 years down the line
> > > > > > your child
> > > > > > may be writing the same stuff which I write now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pawan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 14 Sep 2007 23:19:52 -0000, Anamika Bhatnagar <
> > > > > > bhatnagar_anamika at rediffmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Man...I am seriously irritated by these stupid replies and
> > > > > > counter replies
> > > > > > > ...true...that
> > > > > > > freedom of speech must be maintained and preserved but
> > > > > > these...pawan and
> > > > > > > company drag
> > > > > > > it below the belt...it is so difficult to have a constructive
> > > > > > argument
> > > > > > > with them..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 Rana Dasgupta wrote :
> > > > > > > >Rana Dasgupta wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Given the seriousness of some of the issues at stake, and
> > > > > > the enormous
> > > > > > > > > gulfs of understanding between some of the contributors, I
> > > > > > have to say
> > > > > > > > > I've admired the restraint of many of the writers on the
> > > > > > list.  People
> > > > > > > > > have held themselves back from expressing outright
> > > > > > disgust, or from
> > > > > > > > > violent attacks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I take it all back.
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> > > > > --
> > > > > Partha Dasgupta (9811047132)
> > > > > http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
> > > >
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> > > --
> > > Partha Dasgupta (9811047132)
> > > http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka
> > >
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