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Partha Dasgupta
parthaekka at gmail.com
Sat Sep 15 16:41:36 IST 2007
Just to shake my head and work off the fuzz, would like to ponder on some
points.
1. The issue of the binary in IT
The basis of using the Binary Code was only & solely to signal on and
off
(symbolized by 0 & 1 - and not bound by it). Just as we use X & Y
while
working out a variable in maths.
2. The origin of zero
Well, though the first know documentation of zero in the present
written
method was known to have happened in India, the first known usage of
a symbol for zero was in Sumerian culture in Mesopotamia, some 5,000
odd years ago. Don't remember what they used to denote zero as I'd
checked
this out in the early 90's when I fell in love with the old Apple Mac
and tried to
find out all sorts of irrelevant junk. For those who're interested, am
sure
google will satiate your quest for the irrelevant with tons of info.
3. IPR. Considering that the Zero came from Mesopotamia, and we coined the
symbol after that. We could take a cut for usage but would also have
to
pay quite a bit for the concept. Besides, putting a patent on
'traditional'
knowledge is a very knotty issue.
4. We've all read about the attempts of patenting positions and methods in
Yoga
and fortunately sense creeped in outlining the concept of traditional
community
concept. What the 'Dai' has known about plants and herbs is slowly
becoming
common knowledge and benefitting many who seek an alternative to
allopathy.
There are tons of other wierd facts I can throw up, but I think 4 is enough
for a short break that I needed from the more intense posts.
Rgds, Partha
PS: This is NOT meant for debate. Just a collection of amusing facts
On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Saddha is a self confessed expert on Indian History , Communism , Kashmir
> ,
> Rajtarangini , numerology and list goes on.
>
> On 9/15/07, Vishal Rawlley <vishal.rawlley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Other things India should patent:
> >
> > 1. Kamasutra:
> > This will make us richer every time someone has sex in any inventive
> > position or with multiple partners of either sex. The missionaries can
> > charge for the only position they thought of.
> >
> > 2. Yoga:
> > This way even if someone breathes in deeply and lets it out slowly it
> will
> > add to our coffers. If they want to save money let them keep jogging and
> > panting - might be good for those fat Americans.
> >
> > 3. Udan Khatola
> > This flying vehicle was invented much earlier than the Wright
> > bothers pop was ever born. Every airline should pay India for this. Else
> > they can keep flying in hot air balloons.
> >
> > I am sure Dhatriji, whose brain is even sharper than Chacha Chowdhary,
> can
> > add many more items to this list.
> >
> > Patent Raj Sambhava!
> >
> > -Vishal
> >
> >
> > On 9/14/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Vishal-ji,
> > >
> > > Excellent ! I am glad that you have seen shining light. I have also
> seen
> > > the shining light. Pure breeze of wisdom is now blowing on this list
> > > after nightmare of last few days. With vigilant right minded
> > > intellectuals like Dhatri-ji in our midst, to protect us with Santan
> > > Dharma and intellectual property, we are at last in safe hands. Here
> at
> > > last is an intellectual who is serious about his property.
> > >
> > > But there is a problem. Which I am adding to the problem already
> > > mentioned by you, Vishalji, in the form and shape of Roman Numerals.
> > >
> > > You must know 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9 are also referred to as Arabic
> > > Numerals. And this is a real serious problem. Now we must do something
> > > about these evil arabic numbers. After you have pointed out the danger
> > > posed to us by Roman numerals, I have become very vigilant about
> arabic
> > > numerals also. I smell a Vatican-Jihadist conspiracy to decimate us.
> Oh,
> > > davati-deva, even the decimals are a Roman plot. And if you think of
> the
> > > fact that the space between any two real numbers are taken by infinite
> > > fractions then the mind and the bank account of sanatan akhand bharata
> > > varsha truly begins to boggle.
> > >
> > > I have heard it said that these arabic numerals are actually hindu
> > > numerals. But since a number is not a vivadit sthal, a disputed
> > > structure, we cannot pull down one number and try and build another in
> > > its place, as we did with the Shri Ramjanmabhoomi Mandir (Lord Rama
> > > Birthplace Temple). And how many numbers shall we pull down, and how
> > > many numbers shall we build. Yugas and Kalpas will pass even before we
> > > have reached a respectable few billion. This is a problem, other wise
> we
> > > could have proposed an all india Hindu Number Liberation Struggle.
> What
> > > to do. What to do. What to do.
> > >
> > > Does this mean that the descendents and camp followers of those
> mlecchas
> > > who Dhatriji has accused of ruling roost over Bharat Bhoomi will
> > > completely walk out of the patent treasury loaded, and use their ill
> > > gotten arabic numeral induced gain to convert yet more hindus, and
> then
> > > what will happen to hinduism, i mean hindooism, with the double
> > > barrelled zero in the midle, will it become a big zero? Is that what
> we
> > > mean by Nada Brahma. He Bhagwan. And all this will happen because our
> > > traitor left handed intellectual class did not warning us in advance
> > > about the danger of patenting zero and the danger of not patenting
> > > zero.They are cheating not only in history,geography and mythology but
> > > in mathematics also. I think this is known as a zero sum game.
> > >
> > > At least the Buddhists are able to make some capital out of their
> > > cunning philosophical concept of shunyata (or zero-ism) but us Hindus,
> > > we do not even have zeroism, we have dualities (dvaita) qualified
> > > dualities, and to top it all we have non-duality (advaita) that is
> > > actually infinity, and which are all totally useless in a commercial
> > > context and from the point of view of national economic growth because
> > > every infinity can be made paradoxically more as well as less infinite
> > > by the addition of an evil arabic number after it. So what will we do
> > > when we are reduced to zero? Infinity will be of no help to us. Not
> even
> > > Infinity Foundation which is doing so much good in Amerika-Dham by
> > > flying the flag of Dharma will be of any use. Hai Deva, Hai Rama, Hai
> > > Aryabhatta, Hai Hai, Hai Hai.
> > >
> > > Vishaal ji, do you have any way out of this serious dilemma? I am
> > > reduced to nothing. You are vishaal, you are infinite, you are sarve
> > > sarva. Tell us, guide us, lead us. Shall we request Pravinji Togadiaji
> > > of Vishwa Hindu Parishad to propose a Vishwavyapi (world wide)
> campaign
> > > to ban all Arabic and Roman Numerals. Or should we ask for this
> campaign
> > > to remain confined to national level only. Is this happening because
> of
> > > globalization? And what will happen to our rising power, backed by
> > > binary number and computerization if we drop this arabic one, this
> evil
> > > aaleph from the binary duet of one and zero. Why are our patriotic
> > > computer scientists not building computers based only on pure santan
> > > mathematical concept of unity in infinity. We must do something,
> > anything.
> > >
> > > I remain
> > >
> > > Shunya Shuddha
> > >
> > > Vishal Rawlley wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dhatri-ji said:
> > > >
> > > > " --On 0,
> > > > ...
> > > > I would like to bring a point on WTO, probably most of the members
> > > aware
> > > > that except a few all countries signed WTO Free trade Geneva
> > > pact. Under
> > > > this India can claim Patents/IPR over 0. How is this useful and
> > > applicable
> > > > to India? Let me explain more scientifically.
> > > > Hitech world use computers day-to-day life everywhere. Computers
> > > operate on
> > > > "bit". A bit is nothing but a binary digit (0 or 1). If India claim
> > and
> > > get
> > > > Patenting and IPR over 0, those all countries under the cover of WTO
> > > Pact
> > > > should take the permission from India to operate their ELECTRICAL,
> > > NUCLEAR,
> > > > MILITARY, DEFENCE, SPACE, R & D, INUDSTRIAL RELATED or whatever
> > > COMPUTERISED
> > > > automation systems. And general use of 0, India may/may not uses
> > > minimal
> > > > charge. We (Indians) are so kind enough to allow countries to use 0
> > for
> > > > general purposes. It depends again."
> > > >
> > > > I say:
> > > > Why no response by any "intellectual" on this question of "0"
> > > importance???
> > > >
> > > > But Dhatri saahab, if we patent "0" and charge for its usage, won't
> > > people
> > > > give us a "0" amount in return?? They will say:"scientifically"
> > > speaking, we
> > > > have only zero to offer in return of a zero!
> > > >
> > > > These Indians, I tell you, they are smart but they do not know how
> to
> > > profit
> > > > from their smartness, we shall therefore remain poor only, alas. Hai
> > > Rama.
> > > >
> > > > Now if we had invented I, II, III, V, X, XX, XXX, L, M etc. as the
> > smart
> > > > Romans did, then we should most defenitely have patented all those
> and
> > > > charged IIIVXXXLM.... amounts for each single use and then we would
> > have
> > > > been a super power already and Akhand Bharat could have been a
> > > reality!!!
> > > >
> > > > Now I hope no Romans read this and use this idea against us. Then,
> for
> > > > example, each student going to standard IV might have to pay IV
> > > Euros to
> > > > them. That will surely ruin our education system. No? Then only the
> > > children
> > > > in 'chauthi kaksha' (fourth grade) from hindi medium schools would
> be
> > > able
> > > > to afford education, as they never even used the IV notation! Maybe,
> > > that
> > > > will turn out to be a good thing after all! Hindi is really
> suffering
> > in
> > > > this country and so are all the regional languages. What say?
> > > >
> > > > Jai Hind!!!
> > > >
> > > > -Vishal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/12/07, we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Dear Readers including Junaid in particular,
> > > >>
> > > >>Your Must understand that Dhatri is a pen name like junaid from
> > Gujarat
> > > >>. If you go deeper meaning for this pen name Dhatri, Dhatri ==
> > > >>Earth. Santi, Sama, Dama are qualities of Mother Earth. If you
> have
> > > >>patience to look at these terms just go through the entire link or
> > just
> > > fire
> > > >>a find (Cntl+F) and type these terms over there.
> > > >>
> > > >>http://www.upnaway.com/~bindu/anantayogaweb/mind/mindchap37.htm
> > > >>
> > > >>To hell with the junaid sympathy, let me compose with a pity: -
> > > >>
> > > >>I have nothing to do with RSS, Sanghparivar, Vhp, Sadhu, Santh
> > > parishaths,
> > > >>Madras's and Junaid party elsewhere and feelings. India HINDU comes
> > > first
> > > >>and whatever comes is later. As a Citizen of India, Valid Passport
> > > holder,
> > > >>It's my Constitutional right to vote as per my choice and
> live. Those
> > > all
> > > >>who never completed schooling and aware of India
> > > >>Will never understand this simple thing. I think this suffices to
> > > >>enlighten those narrowly shattered closed brains.
> > > >>
> > > >>Focusing on the topic now,
> > > >>
> > > >>What is USA will do is subject to change. Stop writing converse
> > logic
> > > >>and in REVERSE WAY. Be Positive always.
> > > >>
> > > >>>If you remember Pakistan also detonated its nuclear weapons in the
> > > >same
> > > >>
> > > >>month as India, so perhaps they might reply by dispatching some >of
> > them
> > > >>into India if India goes for hot chases, surgical strikes, >masala
> > > dosas,
> > > >>bhel pooris etc.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>YOU FORGET TO ADD wadapav, pohe, kachori (sweet things like India).
> > > >>
> > > >>Let me add Chillies (spicy). By applying Mathematical
> > > >>
> > > >>Induction,on Junaid statement
> > > >>"Pakistani nuclear weapons won't reach US democrat"
> > > >>
> > > >>so as the same will be true and applicable that "they will not move
> > out
> > > of
> > > >>their depots wherever they are". I will prove it how
> > > >>India can execute it later.
> > > >>
> > > >>--Buddhism is just a flavor of Hinduism. As I quoted earlier
> > > >>
> > > >>Yada yada hi dharmasya Glanir bhavati bharata
> > > >>Abhyutthanam adharmasya Tadatmanam srjamy aham
> > > >>TRANSLATION
> > > >>Whenever and wherever there is decay of righteousness, O Bharata,
> and
> > a
> > > >>rise of unrighteousness then I manifest myself!
> > > >>OR
> > > >>Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O
> > > >>descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion--at that
> > > time I
> > > >>descend myself.
> > > >>So Sidhartha, or Gowtham Buddha, or Buddha for simple understanding
> is
> > > the
> > > >>9th incarnation (out of 10) and one more remaining to come. The
> > > followers
> > > >>of Buddhism now misunderstood it.
> > > >>
> > > >>--And on Yoga as an alternative way that India freshly offers to the
> > > world
> > > >>or a bunch of people like you. What to do if people/countries like
> you
> > > are
> > > >>betraying then bullying is the last sort of option. I don't know
> how
> > > many
> > > >>of the readers aware of this but happy to quote from the first Para
> of
> > > the
> > > >>post
> > > >>
> > > >>--Dandam dasa gunam bhaveth
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://ndtv.com/mb/readreply.asp?topicid=1707&id=629543&tablename=Business
> > > >>
> > > >>--On 0,
> > > >>Though you agreed and admitted, it shows you lack of knowledge,
> > > >>understanding and vision. Your English usage, smartness and
> joviality
> > > >>(professor student) and your will in favor/against PATENTING and IPR
> > is
> > > >>nothing to do with the practicalities. You may say that
> countries/you
> > > can
> > > >>use 0 as "orez" in your/their OWN WAY. No problem you/countries
> can
> > > write
> > > >>whatever the way they wish to use.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would like to bring a point on WTO, probably most of the members
> > > aware
> > > >>that except a few all countries signed WTO Free trade Geneva
> > > pact. Under
> > > >>this India can claim Patents/IPR over 0. How is this useful and
> > > applicable
> > > >>to India? Let me explain more scientifically.
> > > >>Hitech world use computers day-to-day life everywhere. Computers
> > operate
> > > >>on "bit". A bit is nothing but a binary digit (0 or 1). If India
> > claim
> > > and
> > > >>get Patenting and IPR over 0, those all countries under the cover of
> > WTO
> > > >>Pact should take the permission from India to operate their
> > ELECTRICAL,
> > > >>NUCLEAR, MILITARY, DEFENCE, SPACE, R & D, INUDSTRIAL RELATED or
> > whatever
> > > >>COMPUTERISED automation systems. And general use of 0, India
> may/may
> > > not
> > > >>uses minimal charge. We (Indians) are so kind enough to allow
> > countries
> > > to
> > > >>use 0 for general purposes. It depends again.
> > > >>
> > > >>Khalls, junaid and his favorite batch finished. Forget nuclear
> > > dispatch,
> > > >>for moving them people need INDIA permission.
> > > >>
> > > >>We (Indians) can do this practically with a proper planning and need
> a
> > > >>motivated, will powered political system to execute this. This is
> > > feasible
> > > >>99%.
> > > >>
> > > >>Those 9 points are a few I mentioned there are many more.
> > > >>
> > > >>--On points 1,2,3
> > > >>You are not supposed to speak on Maharana Pratap, Shivaji and Sadhus
> > > Shri
> > > >>Pandit Nehru, Gandhi, rest of the patriots (Indian). Because they
> are
> > > all
> > > >>sadhus and very kind hearted in nature. You will never compare them
> > > with
> > > >>Aurangazeb.
> > > >>For your kind information on India (Akhand Bharat) and its boarders
> > from
> > > >>Alexander to British
> > > >>1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhartha
> > > >>2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asoka
> > > >>3) http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/origin.html#KailasYatra
> > > >>4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satavahana
> > > >>
> > > >>For your better understanding
> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Stone_Age
> > > >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>-- On points 4,5
> > > >>Koh-e-noor, Peacock throne, Shah-e-jahan, Nadir-shaw your writing
> are
> > in
> > > >>genuine, I request you to please
> > > >>
> > > >>1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-e_Noor_Diamond
> > > >>2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacock_Throne
> > > >>
> > > >>-- On points 6,7,8
> > > >>Zinna tower is there at several places in India. And Zinna daughter
> > is
> > > >>dying to live for her rest of the life as she did it till her
> teenage
> > > >>(before partition), in zinna home at Mumbai. |This is the fact and
> > for
> > > your
> > > >>kind information. I pity for Jinnah, for Jinnah daughter and Jinnah
> > > sister
> > > >>who migrated to Pakistan during partition. Once again JAMMU AND
> > KASHMIR
> > > is
> > > >>an Integral part of India with those of illegal occupations from
> > > Pakistan
> > > >>and China. We can think towards Akhand Bharat, if Junaid or like
> > > >>personalities/world can visit Pakistan and ask them to vacate peaks
> > > occupied
> > > >>and offered.
> > > >>Junaid can shout jihad there and see the reflections. If alive
> India
> > is
> > > >>ready welcome the kid.
> > > >>
> > > >>Regards,
> > > >>Dhatri.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>---------------------------------
> > > >>Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
> > story.
> > > >>Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
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