[Reader-list] Rama as a kudikaran

[we wi]

Dear Tapas,
           Your post was the last one I saw in my mail box and just responded on karunanidhi.  First of all no need to respond such comments.  As you are exclusively looking out for something.
   
  > Questions then arise:
> What exactly did "kudikaran" mean in Valmiki's time? Did it really mean  "drunkard" as the story suggests?
  > 
> If it did mean "drunkard", in what context was the term used? (I hope  you will agree that there can be no interpretation of a text without 
> reference to context.)
> 
> If it did, did "drunkard" mean quite the same thing in Valmiki's time as it does now?
 
> But what does it mean now? For some people, taking a single drink is 
 enough to label one a drunkard. For others, a drunkard is someone who 
> is, or is tending to become, an alcoholic.

  Let karunanidhi (he is also poet)write his own way by having Madyapan and he already encouraged one VASTHRAPAHARAN in assembly.
  >>>Where do we stand?
  We all including karunanidhi need Ram as our sons,bridegrooms and rulers.  This is where we exactly stand at our personal matters.  Why do karunanidhi perform shraadda kriyas to his parents???  Why should his sons perform the same later if he die tomorrow???  Just go and ask him some body?  
  I dont know and never understand where is the  constitution, civic bodies,CVC(central vigilence commision), EC (Election commission), ACB (Anti corruption beauro) ,media so called and finally almighty is doing?
  Surely almighty is there and watching thats why tsunamis,earthquakes are coming to reduce the weight,caused due to increase of sins on earth. 
  I hope you surely satisfied with this much of my writing compared to the preechings last time. 
  
Regards,
  Dhatri.
  
Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
  Dhatri,

I assume you were responding to my post, because it is quoted in your 
response. But I do not see any reference to the issues I raised. I am a 
little confused.

Best,

Tapas


we wi wrote:
> How do people trust karunanidhi and care about his words? Its our sadness to see such a person re-elected as chief minister? The entire India know about the Jayalalitha episode and later incidents? Its a pity to humanity, forget ethics,faith,morality,belief ,mythology whatever.
> Sethusamudram project is the recovery stunt of the money that he invested to distrubte colour TV'S during the last election.
> He was a poet during his younger age, just imagine how violent he used to write and think. How can sarai people compare karunanidhi and valmiki. Let me describe him as a modern day deamon. Instead of spending time at VAANAPRASTHA what kind of governace will he give At the age of 88. Is he so kind and good to reelect again and again.
> Actually after 60 anybody should be thrown out of whatever power. This amendment should be included in the Constitution. If need comes and system thinks about to use the experience of the 60 years, then just upto suggestion level is allowed and implementation, execution should be in the hands of system. 
> Regards,
> Dhatri.
> 
> 
> Pawan,
> 
> I am not in VASP, but hope it's still ok for me to offer my two bits.
> 
> I am not sure who you think should be condemned - Karunanidhi or Valmiki?
> 
> The story at the link you have forwarded says Karunanidhi says Valmiki 
> called Ram "a kudikaran (drunkard)". If Valmiki did *not* call Ram 
> "kudikaran", Karunanidhi needs to be condemned right away, no questions 
> asked.
> 
> On the other hand, if Valmiki did, there can be no question of 
> condemning Karunanidhi, even if you hate his dark glasses or his shawl - 
> or, as in my case, his determination to destroy the strait's marine 
> ecology.
> 
> The issue of condemnation then shifts to poor old Valmiki who, I'm sure, 
> would have loved the spectacle of his trial by the censors.
> 
> Questions then arise:
> 
> What exactly did "kudikaran" mean in Valmiki's time? Did it really mean 
> "drunkard" as the story suggests?
> 
> If it did mean "drunkard", in what context was the term used? (I hope 
> you will agree that there can be no interpretation of a text without 
> reference to context.)
> 
> If it did, did "drunkard" mean quite the same thing in Valmiki's time as 
> it does now?
> 
> But what does it mean now? For some people, taking a single drink is 
> enough to label one a drunkard. For others, a drunkard is someone who 
> is, or is tending to become, an alcoholic.
> 
> So, where do we stand?
> 
> Tapas
> 
> 
> Pawan Durani wrote:
>> No words from the elite intellectuals [ VASP ] ....not even a condemnation
>> !
>>
>> http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IE920070920132940&Headline=Valmiki+said+Ram+was+a+drunkard:+Karunanidhi&Title=Chennai&Topic=0
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