[Reader-list] Gun Salutes for August 15

[Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्]

Pawan bhai, you might want to read my reply again.

While Geelani's Pak inclinations are well known, he is not the only
leader, his is not he only view. Even he has been forced to tone hem
down over the years because public sentiment is for azadi. And if you
talk to people in Srinagar, they will often tell you that the Pakistan
bogey is often an act of provocation, and for various reasons most
Kashmiris don't trust Pakistan, don't see that as an option.

Okay, let's stop debating this how about a referendum?

And the Kashmir azadi movement has its share of communal elements but
to equate Geelani with Advani or Modi is a bit too much. I am not
getting into the chap act of body counts...

best
shivam

On 8/17/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Shivam,
>
> Make no mistake , that Kashmir "Azadi" agitation is no less dangerous than
> an Al Qaida or a Talibani Movement.
>
> What do you mean by "Pakitsan Se rishta Kya...la illa illa laa "
>
> And Geelani saying "Jeeve Jeeve Pakistan"
>
> Kashmir so called Azaadi struggle has been the most dangerous and communal
> movement which has effected even the world super powers.
>
> For more info log on www.ikashmir.net
>
> Pawan
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear Sonia,
> >
> > This is not the first time you are equating the azadi movement in
> > Kashmir with the Hindutva movement. While Shuddha has already laboured
> > over the diference in the two cases, I want to add that this is a
> > dangerously sweeping comparison, and that you can go only so far with
> > it. This generalised comparison helps you label the entire azadi
> > sruggle as cmmunal, as being mtivated by Hindu/Mulsim concerns. While
> > I don't deny the absence of this, do you admit that the Kashmiri
> > Muslims mainly want independence from India - not Hindus? If it was
> > about the Hindu-Muslim, Hindutva-Jehad binaries, wouldn't the majority
> > demand be for Pakistan rather than an independent nation-state?
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Shivam
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/16/08, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Shuddha,
> > >
> > > A quick & hopefully short reply to some of the points you have raised.
> You
> > > may not have named it as such but the feeling in the valley is very much
> > > about a Hindu state resorting to greater violence against Muslim Kashmir
> > > than Hindu Jammu. While it is easy to arrive at this conclusion given
> > > India¹s history of communal violence, I was merely trying to point out
> that
> > > in Kashmir the situation was slightly different, and obviously not to
> accuse
> > > you of communal thinking.
> > >
> > > I read with some surprise your taking issue with my use of the phrase,
> > > Œbaying for blood¹ and your accompanying list of slogans used during the
> > > protests.  It is incomplete and I could add a few more but I really
> don¹t
> > > want to vitiate and already horrible situation.  I¹m sure you remember
> 1989
> > > and the slogan ŒJai Sri Ram.¹  Advani had used a similar argument when
> > > challenged.  He said something like, what is communal or provocative
> about
> > > taking God¹s name?  What, indeed, except when there is a thousand strong
> mob
> > > screaming God¹s name and marching towards Muslim localities as they did
> in
> > > Œ92 and Œ93.  I would describe that as baying for blood.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, here¹s a report in the HT on the Police vs. CRPF
> culpability:
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > > THE KASHMIR situation has taken a new turn with police becoming the main
> > > target of protesters.
> > > There have also been calls for their social boycott.
> > >
> > > The local population is angry for the police's "brutal conduct against
> their
> > > own people".
> > >
> > > State police has been active alongside the CRPF to crush protests in
> Kashmir
> > > over the past four days, which left 23 dead and around 200 injured.
> > > Incidentally, the contingent that fired on the "cross-LOC" marchers in
> Uri
> > > on August 10 was led by a local Khursheed Khan, station house officer of
> > > Sheeri police station. Senior Hurriyat leader Shaikh Aziz and two others
> > > were killed in the incident. Mirwaiz Ummer Faroog said "it was a target
> > > killing".
> > >
> > > Hundreds of people attacked Khan's residence in Baramullah and torched
> it.
> > > They also torched Sheeri police station. Several such incidents have
> been
> > > reported across the Valley People at Handwara have called for a social
> > > boycott of cops and their relatives. Residents of Srinagar's Raj Bagh
> > > locality took out a protest march on Wednesday, asking the police
> "whether
> > > they stand for India or for their people in Kashmir". This is in stark
> > > contrast to 1990, when militancy erupted. Police then were seen as
> > > "friendly". Hundreds of cops had resigned and joined militancy.
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
>


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