[Reader-list] Secular Haj Vs Communal Amarnath

[Pawan Durani]

Shivam,
We would be blessed if we are shown the live darshan of Amarnath. With my
friends in media , i am sure I would try to have this facility next year
itself.

However , I disagree with other thing . My old grandmother may not be able
to travel either through Baltal or Pahalgam. So if she can travel by a
helicopter , she should . Times have changed.

People used to go to haj barefooted , walking , then on camel backs and now
travel by air. Why shouldn't they if the technology and facilities are
available. Why deny it ?

May Bham Bham Boley bless all of us

Pawan



On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
<mail at shivamvij.com>wrote:

> Oh yes certainly! Like you can take a helicopter to the cave from the
> Baltal land (the famous 800 kanals). Even the trek from there is half
> that of the Pahalgam route. Why then does the Baltal route still get
> less yatris than the Pahalgam route? A langarwala from Punjab
> explained that the Pahalgam route is the traditional route, he claimed
> it has mention in he scriptures. He said the idea of he Amarnath
> pilgrimage is the toil and hardship of walking up there - as in the
> case of Vaishnu Devi. The effort is part of the devotion. But these
> modern middle class pilgrims are not like the sadhus, the langarwala
> laghed and so did I. They want a helicopter to the lingam, don't care
> if the lingam melts, don't care if the hallowed shrine board doesn't
> allow agarbattis and diyas - point is to just go there, come back,
> shout bam bam bholay, wave the 'V' sign at army jawans, who shouts bum
> bum bholay in return, as the Kashmiri Muslim looks on, and then looks
> awa, lest he be called communal...
>
> Pawan my friend, if you are planning to go next year, let me tell you
> hat the helicopter sorties are available from 'Hindu' Jammu itself.
> And if you are going to wait for a few years, don't worry, I am sure
> the Shri Amarnath Shrine Board will ink a contract with Tata Sky or
> Dish TV or whoever the highest bidder is, to telecast live darshan...
>
> Bhum Bhum bholay!
> shivam
>
> On 8/17/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Shivam,
> >
> > The treck to Amarnath used to be very dangerous . Every year many people
> > died. I remember when my maternal uncle went to yatra in late 70's , my
> > grandma had not eaten for days.
> >
> > As the facilities would improve, so would the pilgrims increase.
> >
> > Dont you think I would visit Kailash, if it become easier to travel and
> more
> > affordable ?
> >
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <
> mail at shivamvij.com>
> > wrote:
> > > It has, but not in such numbers as Haj or Kumbh. Even today Vaishnu
> > > Devi gets 25 times more visitors than Amarnath.
> > >
> > > best
> > > shivam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/17/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Shivam,
> > > >
> > > > Whatz wrong with you my brother ?
> > > >
> > > > If you have been ignorant, please dont justify it.
> > > >
> > > > Amarnath Yatra has been going for centuries ,even before Islam came
> into
> > > > existence. I do not wish to slug it out again, but i request you to
> > kindly
> > > > read this link
> > > >
> > > > http://thekashmir.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/amarnath/
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Pawan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
> > <mail at shivamvij.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > This is ridiculous, and worse, communally provocative. Under the
> > > > > Indian Constitution, free speech does not include the right t
> provoke
> > > > > violence between two communities, which this video almost does.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is ridiculous to compare Haj with Amarnath because Haj has
> existed
> > > > > for centuries whereas Amarnath yatra as an obsession has been
> gaining
> > > > > ground only since the late nineties - which is why many kashmiris
> see
> > > > > the brouhaha over Amarnath as a provocation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scrap the Haj subsidy, i say, and scrap it now. but why not compare
> > > > > goverment spending and facilities on the Haj pilgrimage with, say,
> the
> > > > > Kumbh mela?
> > > > >
> > > > > But that wouldn't help spread lies, hatred, violence.
> > > > >
> > > > > best
> > > > > s
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/14/08, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfN-rUlM8U8
> > > > > >
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