[Reader-list] Please Think Before You Write the Subject Line

Fri Aug 22 18:42:38 IST 2008

Dear Pawan ji

this is perhaps high time to notice that how we can go wrong. this
applies to all of us. i repeat, all of us

with love
is

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Some people never change, interestingly in february 2007, a person had
> written the following to Shivam :
> http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/02/20/dear-shivam-vij/
>
> Dear Shivam vij ,
>
> If you want to bash Hinduism/caste system/whatever, do it based on
> *solid* understanding
> of the issue you're writing about. But when you write absolute
> nonsense<http://www.shivamvij.com/2007/02/the-stain-that-just-wont-wash.html>
> that
> stems from the dark depths of your abysmal ignorance,
>
> Not that I expect you to condescend and respond to this post…
>
> PS: No wonder this appeared in *Tehelka*.
>
>
> I am awaiting the next post from dear friend Shivam. He
> has definitely arrived.
>
> Jeeve Jeeve "Abysmal Ignorance" Jeeve .
>
> Yahan Kya Chalega ...Abysmal Ignorance
>
> Regards
>
> Pawan Durani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
>
>> Dear Shivam.
>>
>> I was saddened to see that you had written "Hindu Terrorism in Jammu"
>> in the subject line of your recent post. Also, I think your remark
>> about KP "sanskars" in a previous post were not in good taste, I was
>> saddened to read them.
>>
>> Arguing against the oppression that is carried out in the Kashmir
>> valley by the Indian state does not mean that we have to vilify any
>> community. And even if communities get vilified in this debate by
>> some of its participants, I expect you not to reciprocate in kind. As
>> a journalist whose work I respect, I expect much better of you.
>>
>> I must point out to you that nowhere in the report  that you had
>> forwarded does it say that a 'Hindu' mob attacked the Congress
>> politician, or that they were raising 'Hindu' slogans, (even if we
>> assume that they were nominally Hindu) it merely says that they were
>> raising 'Anti-Congress, PDP and NC" slogans.  And a mob attack,
>> though reprehensible, is not an act of terrorism. To say it is to
>> mirror the tactics of those who poison every discussion on these
>> matters (all over the world) by adding the prefix "Islamic" to
>> terrorism. It is as ridiculous to talk about Islamic or Hindu
>> terrorism as it is to speak of Islamic of Hindu agriculture or mining.
>>
>> Crowds in the Kashmir valley often raise, "Anti Congress, PDP and NC
>> slogans" and they are generally Muslim crowds, and sometimes they set
>> fire to vehicles and ransack homes. Just as it would be totally
>> inappropriate to tag such an episode as an instance of "Muslim"
>> terrorism, so, too I think it is totally inappropriate and uncalled
>> for on your part to tag this report with the headline "Hindu
>> Terrorism in Jammu"
>>
>> This kind of rhetorical grandstanding does not help anyone, and I
>> would urge everyone, especially Shivam, to be restrained and
>> thoughtful while forwarding posts.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Shuddha
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22-Aug-08, at 3:17 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् wrote:
>>
>> > Jammu: Protesters attack Congress leader
>> >
>> > 22 Aug 2008, 0045 hrs IST,TNN
>> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/
>> > Jammu_tense_protesters_attack_police_station/articleshow/3389045.cms
>> >
>> >
>> > JAMMU/SRINAGAR: There was no let up in violent protests against the
>> > revocation of forestland transfer to the Amarnath Shrine Board on
>> > Thursday, as senior Congress leader and former J&K deputy chief
>> > minister Mangat Ram Sharma had a narrow escape when protesters
>> > attacked him at Bhagwatinagar in Jammu. ( Watch )
>> >
>> > SSP S D S Jamwal said Sharma was attacked while he was visiting a
>> > doctor with his grandson. "Protesters attacked his vehicle with rods
>> > and stones," he said. Sources said a cop saved Sharma from the
>> > rampaging mob and whisked him away on his scooter. Raising
>> > anti-Congress, PDP and NC slogans, the protesters set three cars in
>> > Sharma's cavalcade on fire. "Later, the mob also torched a nearby
>> > police nakka," a police officer said.
>> >
>> > Sharma has been at the receiving end of the Amarnath protesters; mobs
>> > have twice attacked his house in Jammu's upmarket Gandhi Nagar
>> > neighbourhood. Day curfew, meanwhile, was lifted from Jammu and
>> > Udhampur districts, while it was relaxed for varying periods in other
>> > areas of the province. Curfew was reimposed in Jammu after violent
>> > protests on Wednesday, the third and final day of Shri Amarnath Yatra
>> > Sangarsh Samiti (SASS)'s 'Jail Bharo Andolan'.
>> >
>> > Authorities relaxed curfew for three hours in Kishtwar town, the scene
>> > of communal clashes on August 12 that left two people dead and several
>> > others injured. "Curfew was relaxed for 11 hours in Samba," a senior
>> > official said.
>> >
>> > A large number of people turned up for Samiti's scheduled "funeral
>> > ceremony of Union government" programme in Jammu. Reports from across
>> > Jammu region said similar processions were carried out "to register
>> > protest against Centre's silence over the Jammu agitation".
>> >
>> > The Valley remained largely peaceful for the third consecutive day,
>> > after 10 days of violent street protests against the alleged economic
>> > blockade left at least 22 people dead.
>> >
>> > Police resorted to teargas shelling and mild baton charge to disperse
>> > protesters at Munawarabad in old Srinagar. "The protesters were trying
>> > to march towards United Nations Military Observers' office," an
>> > official said. He said no one was hurt in police action.
>> >
>> > Students continued to boycott classes and took to streets. "The
>> > indiscriminate use of power proves that New Delhi wants to suppress
>> > Kashmiris," Rafiqa Akhtar of prestigious Women's college said. She
>> > said college students' protests prove that even youth are against
>> > "imperialism".
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>> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>> Raqs Media Collective
>> shuddha at sarai.net
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