[Reader-list] Please, set Kashmir free
Prabhakar Singh
prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 25 20:03:11 IST 2008
Tolerance should not turn into weakness.It should be our strength.Evil need not be tolerated but punished.Similarly Democracy should be our strength not a weakness or compromise of any kind.If one lives in India he or she has to live like Indian not as loyalist to some other nation.Such anti-national traitors should be identified and punished under the law of land immediately.It is as simple as that.
Prabhakar
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From: "radhikarajen at vsnl.net" <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
To: Prabhakar Singh <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, 25 August, 2008 4:56:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Please, set Kashmir free
Indian citizens are very tolerent, too tolerent for a comfort of democratic rule. A man from Nahar came down to Allahabad, practised law, made enough wealth to burn 1000 rupee notes to make tea for the viceroy, had a useless son, jawahar, who went stayed in guest houses for the freedom struggle, at other times wrote letters to his daughter Indira, had enough debauch ways to live life with vision blurred by valley and hills of women he has had. In the process he became visionary as all other good brave leaders were sidelined , Nethaji who had formed Azad hind fauz was declared dead, when he without any craving for any post lived a quiet life in himalayan hills.
We use SAMA as first method to counsel, seek peace, if it fails, we give DANA, so nation divided for the faith, then came bhedha, BHEDHA, or understanding the weaknesses of the enemy and then last is DANDA, now it is time for danda, for the enemies of the nation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Prabhakar Singh <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Please, set Kashmir free
To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
Cc: s_malavika at dnaindia.net
>
>
> Only such psudo-Hindus like Malvika were responsible for partition
> of India and they want further mutilation of our motherland and
> nation.If partition is the only solution then let us divide the
> entire nation why Kashmir only? The partition of 1947 itself was
> incorrect.This is an era of integration not division.What will
> anybody get after division? Are Muslims happy in Pakistan? If
> yes,why they try to infilter into India? If they want to infilter
> and stay in India what was the need of partition? If they wanted a
> partition and a separate nation named as Pakistan why at all they
> chose to stay in India? If India belongs to everybody why can't
> they stay here with a sense of tolerance and brotherhood with
> other communities? Does Muslim mean Pakistani only not Indian? In
> a vast democratic nation like India there may be numerous points
> of difference among different communities which have to be solved
> amicably but saparatism is not an answer at all and whoever
> takes this line is anti-national punishable under the law of
> land.Freedom of expression does not mean that one can go anti-
> national.This needs to be checked immediately.
> Prabhakar
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>; Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
> <mail at shivamvij.com>Cc: s_malavika at dnaindia.net
> Sent: Sunday, 24 August, 2008 7:27:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Please, set Kashmir free
>
> I would not like to make statements without being a hundred
> percent certain. I am not a hundred percent certain about what I
> will be suggesting. So, I will use the device of journalists to
> ask questions even though such questions might suggest allegations.
>
> - Is it not true that Malavika has never lived in Kashmir as a
> resident of Kashmir for any extended period of time? If so, what
> would Malavika know of the realities of Kashmir?
>
> - Is it not true that Malavika's family who left Srinagar as she
> herself says in the immediacy of "Partition", were/are familiar
> primarily only with the Pre-Partition days of Maharajah's Rule? If
> so, what would Malavika's family too know about the realities of
> Post-Partition Kashmir?
>
> - Is it not true when Malavika visited Srinagar "throughout her
> childhood" she was there for a couple of months at the most every
> year, if she did visit every year? If so, would it be fair to say
> that she was there as a tourist? If so what would Malavika
> understand about the realities of Kashmir especially if she
> had never been a resident of Kashmir for any extended period of time?
>
> - All else apart, Malavika says her ancestral house was in Wazir
> Bagh. Is it not true that Wazir Bagh was one of the elitist (read
> moneyed) residential areas of Srinagar? Would it not be fair to
> say that people from such elitist (read moneyed) areas of Srinagar
> would in any case have little understanding of the realities of
> Kashmir?
> - Malavika says that when she visited Srinagar in her childhood,
> her family would stay with Muslim friends. Is it not true that
> when Malavika visited Srinagar in her "childhood" there was no
> strife in Kashmir? If so, what would be the basis of Malavika
> saying that the Muslim family friends "..were losing it
> (Kashmir) everyday, living there, witnessing its destruction."?
> What was that "destruction"?
>
> Or, is it Malavaka's suggestion that the Muslim family friends
> were nostalgic about and felt a sense of "losing" of the Pre-
> Partition Mahrajah's Rule days?
>
> - Is it possible that Malavika has juggled around facts quite a
> bit and is basically using some nostalgia her mother Usha Khanna
> (who must be in her 80s now) might have about the Kashmir of the
> Pre-Partition Mahrajah's Rule days? (I forget if Malavika's father
> too was from Kashmir)
>
> If the allegations suggested in my questions are valid, could one
> then say that Malavika's piece which might at a first read suggest
> itself as 'Oh! So touching! So Heart rending!' is actually
> dishonest writing of devious design?
>
> Was Malavika perhaps driven to write on this topic and in this
> tone by the thought "Arundhati has written on it. I too must write
> on it"?
>
>
> Kshmendra
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Shivam Vij शिवम् <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
>
> From: Shivam Vij शिवम् <mail at shivamvij.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Please, set Kashmir free
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 4:48 PM
>
> Please, set Kashmir free
>
> by Malavika Sangghvi
> Saturday, August 23, 2008 21:56 IST
> http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1185295&pageid=0
>
> As the daughter of a Kashmiri Hindu, whose family left its ancestral
> home in Srinagar during the turmoil that followed Partition, I would
> like to express a sentiment that I still haven't heard in the
> rhetoric about Kashmir.
>
> I speak for those for whom Kashmir is not a symbol of one-upman ship
> with Pakistan, not a piece of a jigsaw puzzle that is intrinsic to the
> sovereignty of India and not a football to be kicked around by
> cynical politicians, but as the daughter of a family in whose very
> lifeblood Kashmir courses every moment.
>
> Cut our hearts open and you will see Kashmir, put your ear to our
> sighs, and you will hear our yearning for the land where our family
> spent its last days intact and happy before Partition scattered us to
> the winds, rendering us refugees.
>
> Growing up dislocated in Mumbai, as a child, it never failed to
> surprise me when people who often hadn't so far stepped out of their
> suburb, would say:"Kashmir is ours! We will never give it up! Let them
> try and take Kashmir from us!"
>
> Even at that early age, when I could have mistaken their jingoism for
> kindred sentiment, I realised that their virulence had nothing to do
> with my family's love for Kashmir, but was misguided machismo.
>
> And I would find myself seething with rage at the audacity of their
> presumption. "But Kashmir was never yours," I'd say in my mind.
> And
> sometimes, when more provoked: "You don't deserve Kashmir!" And
> then
> I'd go home to my mother, whose ever present, unshed tears for her
> homeland, were a leitmotif of our life in Mumbai.
>
> Throughout my childhood, my family would go back to Srinagar (the
> ancestral home in Vazir Baugh had to be sold when my widower
> grandfather became too old to live alone) to stay with Muslim friends,
> with whom we shared a poignant empathy: we had lost Kashmir
> because we
> had moved away; they were losing it everyday, living there, witnessing
> its destruction. Over kawha, we would watch as the elders of our
> family weep for what had been.
>
> Like a woman too beautiful for her own good, Kashmir was a tragedy
> even then. It produced an ache in our hearts when we heard its name
> and thought of its ill fate: and then, because you cannot sit weeping
> over lost Valleys all your life, when we returned home we put Kashmir
> on the backburner.
>
> And on that backburner, Kashmir fermented Sheikh Abdullah, a man whose
> commitment to India was unquestionable, was humiliated, jailed,
> alienated. The most unimaginable genocide was committed on the
> people. Entire generations of its sons were mowed down by an army
> whose presence was as large as it was unpopular. And in its knee-jerk,
> misguided, ill-conceived approach to Kashmir the Indian polity
> revealed its shallowness.
>
> But through this all, intrinsically, those of us who have Kashmir in
> our bloods, know that the Kashmiri Pandits who have been driven
> out of
> their homeland are not enemies of the Kashmiri Muslims, in fact they
> are both victims of the historic blundering of the Indian government's
> Kashmir policy.
>
> Take away Delhi's political brinkmanship, take away the Hindutva
> sentiment that has played so neatly into the hands of Pakistan and its
> fishing-in-troubled-waters game and you may be surprised at how
> harmoniously Kashmir's Hindus and Muslims can live.
>
> So, on behalf of my mother, my family, and all those who have loved
> and lost Kashmir, I beg: Please. We have done enough damage to and
> in Kashmir. Enough to last many lifetimes. The chinars are tinged with
> too much blood. We have failed Kashmir and we don't deserve her
> anymore. Leave Kashmir alone. Set her free.
>
> Email: s_malavika at dnaindia.net
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