[Reader-list] Achutanandan For those who HATE Pakistan

[Pawan Durani]

Inder,

Pls don't teach us your communist agenda. We know what to love and how.

We have seen how your shameless Achudanadan insulted the family of a martyr
by his 'dog' comment.

Non of the shamelss commies have come forward in this list to condemn it.

Cadres like Achutanandan & his likes should be pushed in the Arabian Sea ,
so that they may swim as far as cuba.

Shame to Achutanandan , Shame for Indians that was caused by this veteran
communist.

And look how Karat & Yechury tried to avoid media ,.,....

Mr Salim, pls don't preach us , preach your comrades or else go for that
long swim.

Pawan

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:28 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
> I am not even a smallest scholar of Dr. Iqbal, the great poet, but
> 'the present'  tempts me to write a bit on the times he lived in,
> mainly because he was the real force behind Jinnah to push Pakistan
> Agenda.  It is more interesting also because all the people connected
> with partition had something to do with Western thought. Whether
> Tagore was ae se force behind Gandhi or not but his desire for recognition
>  by the West was ultimate, and so was Iqbal's urge to learn western
> Philosophy.  Gandhi himself had a shallow ( old Testament like )
> outlook on sexuality, temple art and a shallow  understanding of
> class.  See, how Gandhi trusted Nehru, and how Iqbal trusted Jinnah,
> both well versed in western philosophy.  Not surprising that all the
> four were lawyers, and deeply interested in politics.
>
> When Queen of England died in 1901,  Dr. Iqbal  wrote both in prose
> and verse in her honour, which he much later regretted. ( see text at
> the page's bottom ) .He was deeply interested in politics, and even
> won an election by a huge margin. He was indeed a great poet, but what
> was his real dream? His influence was Rumi, the great Persian Sufi
> Saint poet, but did he end up as a Sufi poet or a deep analyst-admirer
> of Holy Book Quran?  He admired Ghalib, although ironically he
> criticized him for his poems written in honour of British Lords. But
> Ghalib was honest, perhaps, this couplet would come to his defence.(
> kay who nimrod ki khudayee thee, bandgee mein mera bhala na huva ). I
> don't know if Dr Iqbal had ever written so lucidly, which he himself
> knew.  ( andazey Bayan agarchi mara shok nahi hai… who mazhab…. Yeh
> mazhab….( my passion is not to chase poetry for some style…., that
> religion….this religion )  which is acutely contrary to Ghalib's.
> Meanwhile Ghalib thought his verse is beautiful only because of  sufi
> saint Hazrat Khusroo, and so Nizammudin Aulia as well.
>
>  Having said all this so hurriedly, we can never run the genius of Dr.
> Iqbal and we need to understand him from various angles.  It is also
> true he was disillusioned with  Jinnah's political procedures, but he
> had no alternatives, and he was himself so lazy to address the
> gatherings himself. He perhaps, could not decide whether he was poet
> or a philosopher. I guess he could have done much better as a poet if
> had relinquished his obsession of Nietzsche (  Khudi ko kar buland
> itna… ) see his style of moustaches and those of Nietzche's  ( may be
> just a coincidence )
>
> By laziness, I mean he loved to live life in style, whether it was
> dresses or food or travelling abroad and falling in love with European
> ladies.  He was keenly interested in what was happening politically,
> here back home.
>
> He was always in politics, and commented on this or that even when he
> was not in great health just few years before his death in 1938.
> It must have been because of his dream for Pakistan that he openly
> opposed to the Ahmadiyya movement  in 1935,  but he was true admirer
> of the same in 1911. Whether that was a threat or not but certainly he
> tried to quash any other representation to the idea of unity of
> Muslim. So, Muslim League was the only instrument he believed in.
> There must be hundreds of such points which can paint Dr. Iqbal badly,
>  but this is not my intention here.  Here my interest is to
> investigate  the reasons why  the original dream of a new Islamic
> nation failed to move.  Dr. Iqbal knew that his forefathers were
> Kashmiri Brahmins, but what mattered for him was his idea of
> restoration of Muslim Past, which was indeed glorious in parts, here
> or there. Was that not possible to cherish along with Hindus ?  I
> guess it was, but, was Gandhi's  love for Lord Ram too much for him to
> consider that possibility. The  reason for his  early love for Hazrat
> Mirza Ghulam  Mohammad (  1835-1908, the founder of Ahmediyyas ) was
> because of his open criticism of Christians and Arya Samjis. His later
> criticism of Ahmediyyas was because it consolidated as a sect.
>
>  But he himself says that Hazrat Mirza was the truest admirer of
> Quran.   But that was before, now he saw a chance for all the Muslims
> of India to realize his dream, with a tremendous Islamic past as
> heritage, and with a real Prophet as messiah of compassion and
> simplicity. But Pakistan was not meant for that. It was not even about
> Dr. Iqbal's whatever dream, but it was about power, it was about
> British design to divide the subcontinent for their own gains.
>
> See how difficult is the vocabulary in his verses.   Without luggat (
> dictionary ) it is damn impossible to understand the philosophy hidden
> in his verses which in anyway is hugely inspired by Islamic holy
> scriptures. How a simple peasant, uprooted from Bihar and Punjab could
> have made his poetry as their ideal for future life.  For a typical
> Punjabi there was a great folk culture , music and poetry, for a
> Sindhi and Bengali it was his own and so on…  He certainly was quite
> sophisticated for an ordinary Muslim to follow.
>
> Dr. Iqbal is in his  Mausoleum, and Mr. Jinnah is thinly visible in
> the Pakistani currency notes. Who sings Iqbal in Pakistan, none, other
> than a sufi who has read Bange-Dara. His poetry is lasting as and when
> he comes out of the pretension of being a philosopher. A peasant, a
> labourer, a simple factory worker or a clerk is hardly aware about Dr.
> Iqbal. It is too difficult, that must be the inner reality in
> Pakistan.
>
> Since 1947, it was indeed the new green flag with crescent on it which
> must have driven masses to love Pakistan. Next, it must be Army and
> their vested interests which are holding Pakistan. And above all, it
> must be Anglo-American  foreign policies that support the idea of
> Pakistan.  Dr. Iqbal's dream for a new Islamic world in this
> subcontinent was bound to create this fundamentalism, because if the
> poet-philosopher is difficult then people indeed look for a  cheap
> maulana to guide their destinies. That is what is happening in
> madarasas. This is what I have been made to believe that there are 0.5
> million madarasses in Pakistan. Do we need a school inspector to tell
> us that they don't teach Dr. Iqbal's poetry !
>
> Gopi Chand Narang, a prominent Iqbal scholar says that there are
> thousands of titles on Iqbal in theacademic world but just one or two
> on his poetry. So now, is it fair to conclude that Dr. Iqbal's poetry,
> which was difficult anyway,  was not the priority of people at helm
> in 1947 after the creation of Pakistan.
> So, it is quite reasonable to believe that  average Pakistani is
> innocent, caught between the Army, dynasty rule, Mullahism and
> poverty.
>
> What can Indian do? Not to hate the common Pakistani, in the least….
>
> Having said all this, I again want to come back to Dr. Iqbal's poetry:
> his intense urge to control the word.  It was perhaps, pointed out by
> Goethe, that the inherent musicality in the verses of Quran is the
> reason for its followers to believe in it, endlessly.  Poets too have
> been trying to achieve that magical effects in their verses, sources
> of which are cosmic/unknown. See Ghalib,   Aatey hein gaib say yeh
> mazameen khayal mein, Ghalib sareeray nama nawaya sarosh hai.  ( these
> couplets are coming from unknown sources, and the sound in my pen is
> of angle's ) How similar.  In another couplet Ghalib says that he
> yearns for a home parallel to Heaven but not the one made by God ) .
> Sufi poetry is full of such fantasies and thoughts which I cherish.
> Dr. Iqbal was intensely trying to achieve that magical effect without
> undermining the authority of sacred book Quran.  He had perhaps no
> need to write poetry if there was not a strong tradition of writing
> poetry in Islamic world. If the agenda was simply to spread the
> message of Prophet Mohammad he could have written  some easy prose, or
> moved from village to village and helped people to understand Islam.
> But he wanted to satisfy his inner urge to sit in the company of great
> poets like Ghalib and all the galaxy of other urdu poets, and for that
> reason alone he  wrote verses, I believe. He knew he could not achieve
> the genius of Ghalib but he had no choice because he had absorbed all
> the Persian and Urdu poetry, mixed it with western philosophy. I think
> the times were such that he could not ignore politics of his times.
>
> with love and peace
> inder salim
> ……………………………………………………..
> here is Dr. Iqbal
> Upon the death of Queen Victoria in 1901, Dr. Iqbal penned an
> epicedium of ten pages, entitled 'Tears of Blood', from which we give
> a few verses below. The Queen died on the day of Eid-ul-Fitr, and
> Iqbal wrote:
> "Happiness came, but grief came along with it, Yesterday was Eid, but
> today came muharram [month of the year associated with the deepest
> mourning for Muslims]
> "Easier than the grief and mourning of this day, Would be the coming
> of the morn of the day of judgment.
> "Ah! the Queen of the realm of the heart has passed away, My scarred
> heart has become a house of mourning.
> "O India, thy lover has passed away, She who sighed at thy troubles
> has passed away.
> "O India, the protective shadow of God has been lifted from above you,
> She who sympathised with your inhabitants has gone.
> "Victoria is not dead as her good name remains, this is the life to
> whomever God gives it.
> "May the deceased receive abundant heavenly reward, and may we show
> goodly patience."
>
>
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