[Reader-list] a special treat for those who understand Kashmiri...

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--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] If Pakistan bans JuD, we should demand banning of saffron outfits
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 8:57 PM
> Dear Javed,
> 
> Your initial e-mail with a comment attached to a news item
> was nothing but
> of course a reaction to it. Now, I don't know why you
> bring in our internal
> problems here in India (if at all they are ) when we are
> discussing about
> Terrorism originating from Pakistan. One cannot take both
> these things in
> the same wave-length and things need not be mentioned on
> same page.
> 
> Surely, its futile discussing who the 'initiator'
> is. But, you cannot just
> rubbish it without an argument.
> 
> Also, if not 'initiators' of Terrorism; but surely
> the modern origin of
> Terrorism is from Pakistan (and PoK) and needs to be fully
> eliminated, not
> alone through sanctions, banning and strong tough laws but
> as well physical
> exercise if needed. Its high time. We've suffered
> enough from them. Pakistan
> cannot get away with it merely through PR exercise of
> 'House Arresting' few
> master Terrorists only to be released later and treated as
> state guests.
> 
> Well, it isn't me who says Islam is responsible for
> this bloody tirade. It
> is LeT, JuD and other such 'Islamic Fanatic' groups
> which claim to do this
> as messengers of Allah. Am I wrong ? I'm as well a
> victim of this crazy
> blind Jihad.
> 
> Lets not deviate when our country is facing such a serious
> terrorist threat.
> Lets be united again this menace of Terrorism.
> 
> I'm no one to give you befitting reply; but surely
> would always correct your
> mistakes, and take you on the right path, till I can and I
> know. Yes, we
> need to be positive, neutral and fight unitedly. But this
> doesn't mean we
> yet again tolerate and forget this 'Jihad' business
> launched by some
> crackpots.
> 
> Thanks
> Aditya Raj Kaul
> 
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Javed
> <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Aditya and Srirang Jha
> > My original message was not in reaction to the
> Pakistanis efforts to
> > ban JuD. I think the troublemakers any where should be
> banned
> > (whichever religion they belong to). I didn't
> start the "initiators"
> > debate. It is futile discussing who is the
> "first" initiator. You will
> > go on and on and will never be able to decide who
> threw the first
> > stone. People usually claim that it is Islam which
> created all the
> > trouble in the world - as if the world was a happy,
> peaceful and rosy
> > place before Islam. I refuse to accept that any
> religion should be
> > used to claim as the real cause of all trouble.
> >
> > So, let us try to stop this "befitting
> reply" culture among ourselves,
> > and try to be very practical. Let us look at the
> history of each group
> > that we are discussing, and formulate a criteria for
> banning them. I
> > am not trying to defend any group or individual - but
> we have to be
> > honest and just in this case.
> >
> > Javed
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> >  <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Srirang,
> > >
> > > Thanks. Just to correct you, what we see today is
> Íslamic Terrorism'
> > which
> > > is ultra extremist and what we see as a reaction
> to this provocation in
> > > India can't be clubbed with them. Even though
> they are marginally
> > extremist.
> > >
> > > Its important to eliminate the origin of global
> Islamic Terrorism in
> > > Pakistan. Its high time now atleast.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Aditya Raj Kaul
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:33 PM, srirang jha
> <jha.srirang at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Javed's suggestion is imbued with his
> reactionary mindset that tries to
> > >> justify action against Hindu extremist
> organizations only because action
> > is
> > >> being taken against the Muslim extremist
> outfit in Pakistan. I wish
> > Javed
> > >> could think a little more objective. Ban on
> all the extremist
> > organizations
> > >> should be imposed irrespective of a precedent
> or any precondition.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, response of Aditya Raj Kaul to
> Javed's 'reaction' is befitting.
> > >>
> > >> Srirang Jha
> > >>
> > >>   On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Aditya
> Raj Kaul <
> > >> kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Yes, why not ? But, To begin with:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1) Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF)
> > >>> 2) Hurriyat Conference
> > >>> 3) Tehreek-e-Hurriyat
> > >>> 4) Student Federation of India (SFI)
> > >>> 5) All India Students Association (AISA)
> > >>> 6) CPI
> > >>>         ..................there are many
> more.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ban the initiators first, and then those
> who react to constant
> > >>> provocation.
> > >>>
> > >>> Anybody initiating this movement ?
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm all ears..
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>> Aditya Raj Kaul
> > >>>
> > >>> On 12/11/08, Javed
> <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > There are reports that Pakistan
> govt. is arresting many clerics and
> > >>> > banning extremist organizations
> (responsible for Mumbai terror). I
> > >>> > think it is high time we demand a
> ban on our own home-grown terror
> > >>> > outfits like Abhinav Bharat, VHP,
> MNS, BD, RSS and so on. A movement
> > >>> > should start for this from this very
> platform. What do you say?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Pakistan to ban Jamaat-ud-Dawa:
> Gilani
> > >>> > 11 Dec 2008, 1912 hrs IST, AGENCIES
> > >>> >
> > >>> > ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will fulfil its
> obligations under a UN Security
> > >>> > Council statement targeting four
> members of Lashkar-e-Taiba and
> > >>> > charity
> > >>> > Jamaat-ud-Dawa linked to the banned
> Islamist group, the government
> > >>> > said on Thursday. ( Watch )
> > >>> >
> > >>> > The statement, which gave no further
> details, came after the UN
> > >>> > Security Council sanctions committee
> targeted four members of the
> > >>> > group blamed for the Mumbai attacks,
> and a charity widely viewed as
> > >>> > its political arm, for an assets
> freeze and other sanctions.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > "Prime Minister Syed Yousuf
> Raza Gilani has said that Pakistan has
> > >>> > taken note of the designation of
> certain individuals and entities by
> > >>> > the UN under 1267 resolution of the
> UN Security Council and would
> > >>> > fulfil its international
> obligations," a government statement said.
> > >>> >
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