[Reader-list] If Pakistan bans JuD, we should demand banning of saffron outfits

Javed javedmasoo at gmail.com
Sat Dec 13 16:30:55 IST 2008 

Dear Aditya
So, you are the only one on the right path, and everyone else is at
mistake, and you won't sit quiet until you reform everyone. Good to
know.
By the way, you ask me not to bring un-related issues on the same
page. But since I have been seeing your mails on Sarai list, I see
that whatever is topic, you (and your friend KPs) always stretch it to
the problems of Kashmiri pundits. If we are talking of communalism in
UP or Gujarat, you shout: why isn't no one talking of the plight of
KPs. When we are talking of farmers committing suicides, you ask, why
is not on concerned about KPs, and so on. So, it is you who bring
unrelated issues together. In this case itself, when I mentioned
banning saffron extremists, you brought in SFI and AISA, although I
haven't understood what is the connection. I gave you that list of
dates (of origin of those organizations) only as a reaction to your
mail about "initators".

J

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
<kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Javed,
>
> Your initial e-mail with a comment attached to a news item was nothing but
> of course a reaction to it. Now, I don't know why you bring in our internal
> problems here in India (if at all they are ) when we are discussing about
> Terrorism originating from Pakistan. One cannot take both these things in
> the same wave-length and things need not be mentioned on same page.
>
> Surely, its futile discussing who the 'initiator' is. But, you cannot just
> rubbish it without an argument.
>
> Also, if not 'initiators' of Terrorism; but surely the modern origin of
> Terrorism is from Pakistan (and PoK) and needs to be fully eliminated, not
> alone through sanctions, banning and strong tough laws but as well physical
> exercise if needed. Its high time. We've suffered enough from them. Pakistan
> cannot get away with it merely through PR exercise of 'House Arresting' few
> master Terrorists only to be released later and treated as state guests.
>
> Well, it isn't me who says Islam is responsible for this bloody tirade. It
> is LeT, JuD and other such 'Islamic Fanatic' groups which claim to do this
> as messengers of Allah. Am I wrong ? I'm as well a victim of this crazy
> blind Jihad.
>
> Lets not deviate when our country is facing such a serious terrorist threat.
> Lets be united again this menace of Terrorism.
>
> I'm no one to give you befitting reply; but surely would always correct your
> mistakes, and take you on the right path, till I can and I know. Yes, we
> need to be positive, neutral and fight unitedly. But this doesn't mean we
> yet again tolerate and forget this 'Jihad' business launched by some
> crackpots.
>
> Thanks
> Aditya Raj Kaul
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Aditya and Srirang Jha
>> My original message was not in reaction to the Pakistanis efforts to
>> ban JuD. I think the troublemakers any where should be banned
>> (whichever religion they belong to). I didn't start the "initiators"
>> debate. It is futile discussing who is the "first" initiator. You will
>> go on and on and will never be able to decide who threw the first
>> stone. People usually claim that it is Islam which created all the
>> trouble in the world - as if the world was a happy, peaceful and rosy
>> place before Islam. I refuse to accept that any religion should be
>> used to claim as the real cause of all trouble.
>>
>> So, let us try to stop this "befitting reply" culture among ourselves,
>> and try to be very practical. Let us look at the history of each group
>> that we are discussing, and formulate a criteria for banning them. I
>> am not trying to defend any group or individual - but we have to be
>> honest and just in this case.
>>
>> Javed
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
>>  <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Srirang,
>> >
>> > Thanks. Just to correct you, what we see today is Íslamic Terrorism'
>> which
>> > is ultra extremist and what we see as a reaction to this provocation in
>> > India can't be clubbed with them. Even though they are marginally
>> extremist.
>> >
>> > Its important to eliminate the origin of global Islamic Terrorism in
>> > Pakistan. Its high time now atleast.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:33 PM, srirang jha <jha.srirang at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Javed's suggestion is imbued with his reactionary mindset that tries to
>> >> justify action against Hindu extremist organizations only because action
>> is
>> >> being taken against the Muslim extremist outfit in Pakistan. I wish
>> Javed
>> >> could think a little more objective. Ban on all the extremist
>> organizations
>> >> should be imposed irrespective of a precedent or any precondition.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, response of Aditya Raj Kaul to Javed's 'reaction' is befitting.
>> >>
>> >> Srirang Jha
>> >>
>> >>   On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>> >> kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yes, why not ? But, To begin with:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1) Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF)
>> >>> 2) Hurriyat Conference
>> >>> 3) Tehreek-e-Hurriyat
>> >>> 4) Student Federation of India (SFI)
>> >>> 5) All India Students Association (AISA)
>> >>> 6) CPI
>> >>>         ..................there are many more.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ban the initiators first, and then those who react to constant
>> >>> provocation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anybody initiating this movement ?
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm all ears..
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/11/08, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > There are reports that Pakistan govt. is arresting many clerics and
>> >>> > banning extremist organizations (responsible for Mumbai terror). I
>> >>> > think it is high time we demand a ban on our own home-grown terror
>> >>> > outfits like Abhinav Bharat, VHP, MNS, BD, RSS and so on. A movement
>> >>> > should start for this from this very platform. What do you say?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Pakistan to ban Jamaat-ud-Dawa: Gilani
>> >>> > 11 Dec 2008, 1912 hrs IST, AGENCIES
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will fulfil its obligations under a UN Security
>> >>> > Council statement targeting four members of Lashkar-e-Taiba and
>> >>> > charity
>> >>> > Jamaat-ud-Dawa linked to the banned Islamist group, the government
>> >>> > said on Thursday. ( Watch )
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The statement, which gave no further details, came after the UN
>> >>> > Security Council sanctions committee targeted four members of the
>> >>> > group blamed for the Mumbai attacks, and a charity widely viewed as
>> >>> > its political arm, for an assets freeze and other sanctions.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani has said that Pakistan has
>> >>> > taken note of the designation of certain individuals and entities by
>> >>> > the UN under 1267 resolution of the UN Security Council and would
>> >>> > fulfil its international obligations," a government statement said.
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