[Reader-list] News Items posted on the net on Multipurpose NationalIdentity Cards-6

[taraprakash]

You are right Taha that the identity can be manipulated by the state to prove or disprove claims. Money gets you everything in the subcontinent. So it is possible to have multiple identities. For all we know, tomorrow Aditya Nigam, Amrish Mishra, Ajiz Barni, or other conspiracy theorists in Indian and Pakistani media, may find Kasab's Indian passport under the seat of a taxi he used before being captured. It takes less than rs2000 to get a fake Indian passport.
Congress had an MP from Asam who was actually a fugitive, citizen of Nepal required in Nepal in connection of a murder case. 
So yes, it is possible to give people multiple identities or leave people without it and multi-purpose identity cards may not help in the matter. I wonder if my suggestion will sound to you too ridiculous to consider. But perhaps we should have duel identities. One issued by one's respective country and the other by a world agency like UN. Such a system might help to determine the identity/nationality  of those captured in covert operations. Pakistan today claimed that they have arrested an Indian national in connection with a recent bomb blast in Pakistan. The police of J&K supposedly arrested three Pakistanis a couple of days back. What if the UN had everybody's record in their database so that when such a claim was made, they could prove the veracity of such a claim. 

Regards
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Taha Mehmood 
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  Dear Taraprakash, 

  Thank you for your comment. I totally agree with your views, that people of the subcontinent have a right to have a proof of their existence. 

  I think any statement which asserts that, in a Nation state every legitimate person must have a right to legitimate identity, is based on two underlying assumptions. First being, that the idea of identity is stable and it can be mapped and the second, that the State is a -just- State. That, it will, in the discharge of its duties to accord identity to legitimate citizens will, act in the most benign fashion. This is not to suggest that if a State is not  perceived of as -just- then it loses its moral right to give a certificate of citizenship but to caution that if perhaps the case then, any such exercise will be bound to result in a deepening of existing social divisions. 

  Hence, in a situation where we in India are still grappling with gross mismanagement of earlier forms of identity documents, like ration cards, we need to consider seriously, whether we are prepared to deal with yet another exercise to completely digitize personal information of around one billion people. 

  You may like to read a Times of India news report indicative of malaise I have mentioned above-
  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/rssarticleshow/msid-3208865,prtpage-1.cms

  Further more, just as it is a matter of great ease, if our personal information is stored in a digital database, which could then easily be manipulated in any form, we must not forget that it is also matter of great ease with which is could be deleted.  

  Hence, if a Name and a number in some National identity database becomes the sole criteria to ascertain and determine the identity and citizenship of a person on legitimate grounds, then we must not be surprised at all in the face of a Kasab like case. 

  I completely empathize with the frustration of the Indian Government. We all know, that Kasab is Pakistani. We all know that his father has said so. Respectable Pakistanis like Asma Jehangir have said so. The Mumbai police has said so. And Kasab himself has said so. 

  Which begs the question that how could we possibly determine whether Kasab is a Pakistani or not, when the official Government position is that his name do not figure in the national database. That no national identification number has been issued in his name. That he does not posses a national citizenship document. 

  If this being the case- then would it be right for us in India to go for a national identity card or perhaps should we try to spend more time thinking about the process through which we can have a more informed debate about the idea of identity first, and then maybe move forward to establish regimes that are involved in the operational or logistical end of the identity discourse.

  Regards 

  Taha 



  On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:49 AM, taraprakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Taha and all. The issue of identity card should also be approached from a different angle. Pakistan government has recently come up with the statement that Kasab is not registered as a citizen in the country and that the state did not issue him any identity card.
    Earlier, CPI(M) refused to accept the fact of many deaths during Nandi Gram and Singur crisis. Since many of those killed were not registered on any official document, it was difficult to prove many deaths. I believe the same happened in Nithari case of cannibalism. Around 10 years back another scandal was brought to the light in UP. Some people had managed to obtain death certificates for their relatives so that these fraudsters could misappropriate their land. Many officially dead people had to go through long court cases to prove that actually they were not dead.

    Many in Indian sub-continent do not exist officially. I believe it is their right to have a proof of their existence, should such a need arise.


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      http://pib.nic.in/archieve/lreleng/lyr2002/rmay2002/07052002/r0705200210.html
      7th May, 2002

      NATIONAL IDENTITY CARDS
      ------------------------------

      A proposal to issue Multipurpose National Identity Cards (MNICs) to Indian
      citizens, including the people residing in the border areas of the country
      is receiving Government's attention. These cards, apart from providing a
      credible identification system, may have multifarious uses.

      The issue of MNICs would involve creation of an identification system for
      more than one billion citizens, streamlining the existing machinery for the
      registration of birth and deaths at the grass root level and choices of
      institutional as well as technological options for the creation of an
      integrated data base of personal identities capable of being continuously
      updated. The Government would finalize its decision only after an in-depth
      examination of all relevant issues and after making necessary preparations,
      including the legal backing to the scheme.

      Issuing National Identity Cards under the provisions of the Citizenship Act,
      1955 is one of the options available.

      The issue of National Identity Cards was discussed and endorsed in the
      conference of Chief Ministers on Internal Security held on 17th November
      2001.

      The information was given in the Lok Sabha by the Minister of State for Home
      Shri Ch. Vidyasagar Rao in a written reply today.

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