[Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958

[Pawan Durani]

Dear Kiran ,

My mail was specifically in response of Zainab's mail . Here Zainab was
discussing state opression and Kashmir .

I dont think i need to elaborate more.

Thanks for your understanding.

Pawan


On 1/18/08, Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Chanchal,
>
> I'm afraid you fail to convince me, and further, that I have no
> interest in this discussion and that therefore your energies are
> better expended with someone else. I am only interested in a
> clarification from Pawan.
>
>
> --
> Kiran Jonnalagadda
> http://jace.seacrow.com/
>
>
>
> On 18-Jan-08, at 12:07 PM, chanchal malviya wrote:
>
> > Dear Kiran,
> >
> > I do not think I am away from the topic of generalization between
> > Religion and Anti-Nationalism....
> > Please consider my following points:
> >
> > 1. What is nationalism? Is it not about the nation - who worships
> > the nation as Mother?
> > 2. What is Religion? Is it not about the texts that demands to be in
> > boundaries? Are Hindus actually a religious group? Why did Supreme
> > court declare that Hinduism is a way of life and not a religion?
> >
> > What I want to bring into picture is, It is Hinduism alone that
> > teaches Nationalism. Islam and Christianism are invaded religions.
> > Hindus have accepted them and Secularism was defined to allow them
> > to live with love. But they never came out of their religious
> > boundaries - they yet demands Hindus to convert.
> >
> > Muslims have discarded Vande Matram (Isn't it Anti-National).
> > Muslims do not protest against Terrorism (Isn't it Anti-National).
> >
> > Same people constitutes the nation, who constitutes the Religion.
> > For a Hindu, nation is everything - the biggest of all 'Mata'. Have
> > a Muslim ever said that India is bigger to them then Islam?
> >
> > This where these two entities are correlated. The generalization
> > lies only with Hindus today - this is a ground fact. What is shown
> > superfitially, I do not want to comment on that further.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com>
> > To: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:58:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at
> > Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
> >
> > Dear Chanchal,
> >
> > I appreciate your concerns, but this is not a discussion I'm
> > interested in having. My only interest is in some clarity on Pawan's
> > generalisation between religion and anti-nationalism.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kiran Jonnalagadda
> > http://jace.seacrow.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18-Jan-08, at 11:33 AM, chanchal malviya wrote:
> >
> > > 1. Who are providing Arms to Naxals?
> > > 2. How many nations are they terrorizing?
> > > 3. What religious motivation guides them to do so?
> > > 4. Which religious book of Hindu has asked them to do so?
> > >
> > > 1. Which law of Islam or any Islamic country have punished any of
> > > these terrorists?
> > > 2. How many Mullahs have declared Fatwa agains even one terrorist?
> > > 3. How many Muslim road show have taken place again hundreds of
> > > Terrorist attacks?
> > >
> > > Even the Criminalized section of Hindus are not fighting in the name
> > > of religion... They do so because they are criminals and there are
> > > clear law to deal with them (not religion)...
> > >
> > > There is a difference... better to be understood...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com>
> > > To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:58:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at
> > > Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
> > >
> > > On 18-Jan-08, at 10:33 AM, Pawan Durani wrote:
> > >
> > > > I do not diagree that representatives of states sometimes do
> > misuse
> > > > their
> > > > authority . However the difference is that when a hindu is
> > > violated he
> > > > doesnt turn anti national.
> > >
> > > Pawan,
> > >
> > > Are you claiming that the supporters of the naxalite movement, LTTE
> > > and others who oppose the national apparatus are not Hindu?
> > >
> > > If you're not, could you be more specific?
> > >
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