[Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958

[Kiran Jonnalagadda]

Dear Chanchal,

I'm afraid you fail to convince me, and further, that I have no  
interest in this discussion and that therefore your energies are  
better expended with someone else. I am only interested in a  
clarification from Pawan.


-- 
Kiran Jonnalagadda
http://jace.seacrow.com/



On 18-Jan-08, at 12:07 PM, chanchal malviya wrote:

> Dear Kiran,
>
> I do not think I am away from the topic of generalization between  
> Religion and Anti-Nationalism....
> Please consider my following points:
>
> 1. What is nationalism? Is it not about the nation - who worships  
> the nation as Mother?
> 2. What is Religion? Is it not about the texts that demands to be in  
> boundaries? Are Hindus actually a religious group? Why did Supreme  
> court declare that Hinduism is a way of life and not a religion?
>
> What I want to bring into picture is, It is Hinduism alone that  
> teaches Nationalism. Islam and Christianism are invaded religions.  
> Hindus have accepted them and Secularism was defined to allow them  
> to live with love. But they never came out of their religious  
> boundaries - they yet demands Hindus to convert.
>
> Muslims have discarded Vande Matram (Isn't it Anti-National).  
> Muslims do not protest against Terrorism (Isn't it Anti-National).
>
> Same people constitutes the nation, who constitutes the Religion.  
> For a Hindu, nation is everything - the biggest of all 'Mata'. Have  
> a Muslim ever said that India is bigger to them then Islam?
>
> This where these two entities are correlated. The generalization  
> lies only with Hindus today - this is a ground fact. What is shown  
> superfitially, I do not want to comment on that further.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com>
> To: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:58:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at  
> Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
>
> Dear Chanchal,
>
> I appreciate your concerns, but this is not a discussion I'm
> interested in having. My only interest is in some clarity on Pawan's
> generalisation between religion and anti-nationalism.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> -- 
> Kiran Jonnalagadda
> http://jace.seacrow.com/
>
>
>
> On 18-Jan-08, at 11:33 AM, chanchal malviya wrote:
>
> > 1. Who are providing Arms to Naxals?
> > 2. How many nations are they terrorizing?
> > 3. What religious motivation guides them to do so?
> > 4. Which religious book of Hindu has asked them to do so?
> >
> > 1. Which law of Islam or any Islamic country have punished any of
> > these terrorists?
> > 2. How many Mullahs have declared Fatwa agains even one terrorist?
> > 3. How many Muslim road show have taken place again hundreds of
> > Terrorist attacks?
> >
> > Even the Criminalized section of Hindus are not fighting in the name
> > of religion... They do so because they are criminals and there are
> > clear law to deal with them (not religion)...
> >
> > There is a difference... better to be understood...
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com>
> > To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:58:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at
> > Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
> >
> > On 18-Jan-08, at 10:33 AM, Pawan Durani wrote:
> >
> > > I do not diagree that representatives of states sometimes do  
> misuse
> > > their
> > > authority . However the difference is that when a hindu is
> > violated he
> > > doesnt turn anti national.
> >
> > Pawan,
> >
> > Are you claiming that the supporters of the naxalite movement, LTTE
> > and others who oppose the national apparatus are not Hindu?
> >
> > If you're not, could you be more specific?
> >
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