[Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat

Tue Jul 8 14:24:55 IST 2008

Shivam ,

If you believe non has died in Jammu , you are mistaken ....I understand the
kind of information you may be getting in Kashmir .

God Bless you ..

On 7/7/08, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
>
> > you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist who creates
> > public opinions.
>
> Partha is just as much in public life as me, I humbly submit, because
> he is using this list to influence public opinion. So don't target me
> by way of my profession. I am not on this list by virtue of my
> profession and am not engaging on that count. So please stop these
> below-the-belt attacks.
>
> > Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in Jammu , while
> as
> > Kashmir was let loose..
>
> Good question. And another one: what made the CRPF kill six in the
> Kashmir protests, but not one has died in Jammu?
>
> best
> shivam
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Partha ,
> >
> > you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist who creates
> > public opinions.
> >
> > That makes a difference.
> >
> > Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in Jammu , while
> as
> > Kashmir was let loose..
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> >
> > On 7/4/08, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Radhikarajen,
> >>
> >> 1.   I have friends, some of whom are Muslims. When I make friends, I
> >> look at whether
> >>      or not I like them and if I can vibe with them. There caste /
> >> relegion or even lack
> >>      thereof is irrelevant to me.
> >>
> >> 2.   I stay in my own house and eat my own food. Though I do travel to
> >> my friends house
> >>      and eat there as well.
> >>
> >> Does this mean that my body or mind is being held hostage?
> >>
> >> That logic is ridiculous. If you disagree with any statement or
> >> position that someone has taken, go ahead and disagree.
> >>
> >> However, none of us have super powers to be able to read anyone's mind
> >> and know why they are saying what - unless you're going to claim you
> >> do?
> >>
> >> Rgds, Partha
> >> ..................................................
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM,  <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> >> > Hi, Shivam,
> >> >
> >> >     who is financing your stay in Srinagar, it looks like you are
> being
> >> held hostage with good food and your thoughts are that of a hostage
> talking
> >> good about his kidnappers.! By the way I hope you are guest of Gulam
> nabi or
> >> Mufti as both are known spin doctors who use the bakras like you.?
> >> >
> >> >  Regards.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
> >> > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008 8:53 pm
> >> > Subject: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat
> >> > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> >
> >> >> Tolerant Kashmiris
> >> >> 26 June, 2008 08:10:48
> >> >> http://www.etalaat.net/english/viewpoint/editorial/1111.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Vested interests are all out to communalize the on-going agitation
> >> >> against transfer of forest land to the Amarnath Shrine Board. Time
> and
> >> >> again it has been made clear that the on-going agitation is not
> >> >> against the Yatra or the Yatries. The agitation is against
> >> >> politicization of the Yatra. Kashmiris want the government to entrust
> >> >> the job of conducting and facilitating Yatra to the local people who
> >> >> have been conducting it effectively since 1860.
> >> >>
> >> >> To understand the on-going agitation against land transfer in its
> >> >> right perspectives one has to look into the history of Kashmir.When
> >> >> important decisions concerning the future of Kashmir were taken
> >> >> Kashmiris were always ignored. In 1947 a decision was imposed on the
> >> >> reluctant people and since then the trend continues. In early 60s the
> >> >> government of India omitted Article 238 from Indian constitution and
> >> >> thus rendered article 370 infructious. The Article 370 which
> >> >> guarantees a special status to the state of Jammu Kashmir reads: "Not
> >> >> withstanding any thing nothing in Article 238 shall apply to the
> state
> >> >> of Jammu Kashmir." Article 370 is still there but article 238 which
> >> >> contained the heart and soul of 370 is not there in the constitution.
> >> >> Kashmiris to this day do not know about this fraud.
> >> >>
> >> >> Similarly the government of India abolished the permit system which
> >> >> required the non-state subjects to obtain a permit for entering the
> >> >> state. Again the people were not taken into confidence.  In 1975 a
> >> >> popular movement was strangled. Again the people did not protest. In
> >> >> 1978 the draconian public safety act (PSA) was framed. People did not
> >> >> protest. In 1984 TADA was extended to the state. People remained
> >> >> silent. The Gulmarg issue shook them and the transfer of land did the
> >> >> miracle. Even this time the government had taken the people for
> >> >> granted.
> >> >>
> >> >> People are angry but they have not thrown caution to the winds. They
> >> >> have upheld the high traditions of tolerance and have not harmed any
> >> >> Yatri or a tourist. This is exactly what Islam teaches them. The
> >> >> Yatries are welcome and so are the tourists. Kashmiris are known for
> >> >> their hospitality and they will not disappoint the pilgrims and other
> >> >> guests.
> >> >>
> >> >> History is witness to the fact that Kashmiris have always protected
> >> >> their non-Muslim brethren.  Hundreds of instances can be quoted to
> >> >> prove the point. However, the following incident shall suffice. A
> >> >> person who retired as the Chief Conservator of Forests lived in
> >> >> Shahr-e-Khaas during his college days. One day while on his way to
> the
> >> >> college he was intercepted by a crowd. Taken for a Bakra (A supporter
> >> >> of Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah) he was given  sound thrashing. Somehow he ran
> >> >> away but only to be caught by another violent group. This time he was
> >> >> taken for a Sher (Supporter of Sheikh Abdullah) and beaten to pulp.
> >> >> Again he managed his escape. When caught for the third time, he
> >> >> shouted: "I am a Pandit." Nobody touched him this time. He was given
> >> >> safe passage.
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