[Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat

[Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्]

> you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist who creates
> public opinions.

Partha is just as much in public life as me, I humbly submit, because
he is using this list to influence public opinion. So don't target me
by way of my profession. I am not on this list by virtue of my
profession and am not engaging on that count. So please stop these
below-the-belt attacks.

> Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in Jammu , while as
> Kashmir was let loose..

Good question. And another one: what made the CRPF kill six in the
Kashmir protests, but not one has died in Jammu?

best
shivam


On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Partha ,
>
> you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist who creates
> public opinions.
>
> That makes a difference.
>
> Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in Jammu , while as
> Kashmir was let loose..
>
> Pawan
>
>
> On 7/4/08, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Radhikarajen,
>>
>> 1.   I have friends, some of whom are Muslims. When I make friends, I
>> look at whether
>>      or not I like them and if I can vibe with them. There caste /
>> relegion or even lack
>>      thereof is irrelevant to me.
>>
>> 2.   I stay in my own house and eat my own food. Though I do travel to
>> my friends house
>>      and eat there as well.
>>
>> Does this mean that my body or mind is being held hostage?
>>
>> That logic is ridiculous. If you disagree with any statement or
>> position that someone has taken, go ahead and disagree.
>>
>> However, none of us have super powers to be able to read anyone's mind
>> and know why they are saying what - unless you're going to claim you
>> do?
>>
>> Rgds, Partha
>> ..................................................
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM,  <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>> > Hi, Shivam,
>> >
>> >     who is financing your stay in Srinagar, it looks like you are being
>> held hostage with good food and your thoughts are that of a hostage talking
>> good about his kidnappers.! By the way I hope you are guest of Gulam nabi or
>> Mufti as both are known spin doctors who use the bakras like you.?
>> >
>> >  Regards.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
>> > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008 8:53 pm
>> > Subject: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat
>> > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> >
>> >> Tolerant Kashmiris
>> >> 26 June, 2008 08:10:48
>> >> http://www.etalaat.net/english/viewpoint/editorial/1111.html
>> >>
>> >> Vested interests are all out to communalize the on-going agitation
>> >> against transfer of forest land to the Amarnath Shrine Board. Time and
>> >> again it has been made clear that the on-going agitation is not
>> >> against the Yatra or the Yatries. The agitation is against
>> >> politicization of the Yatra. Kashmiris want the government to entrust
>> >> the job of conducting and facilitating Yatra to the local people who
>> >> have been conducting it effectively since 1860.
>> >>
>> >> To understand the on-going agitation against land transfer in its
>> >> right perspectives one has to look into the history of Kashmir.When
>> >> important decisions concerning the future of Kashmir were taken
>> >> Kashmiris were always ignored. In 1947 a decision was imposed on the
>> >> reluctant people and since then the trend continues. In early 60s the
>> >> government of India omitted Article 238 from Indian constitution and
>> >> thus rendered article 370 infructious. The Article 370 which
>> >> guarantees a special status to the state of Jammu Kashmir reads: "Not
>> >> withstanding any thing nothing in Article 238 shall apply to the state
>> >> of Jammu Kashmir." Article 370 is still there but article 238 which
>> >> contained the heart and soul of 370 is not there in the constitution.
>> >> Kashmiris to this day do not know about this fraud.
>> >>
>> >> Similarly the government of India abolished the permit system which
>> >> required the non-state subjects to obtain a permit for entering the
>> >> state. Again the people were not taken into confidence.  In 1975 a
>> >> popular movement was strangled. Again the people did not protest. In
>> >> 1978 the draconian public safety act (PSA) was framed. People did not
>> >> protest. In 1984 TADA was extended to the state. People remained
>> >> silent. The Gulmarg issue shook them and the transfer of land did the
>> >> miracle. Even this time the government had taken the people for
>> >> granted.
>> >>
>> >> People are angry but they have not thrown caution to the winds. They
>> >> have upheld the high traditions of tolerance and have not harmed any
>> >> Yatri or a tourist. This is exactly what Islam teaches them. The
>> >> Yatries are welcome and so are the tourists. Kashmiris are known for
>> >> their hospitality and they will not disappoint the pilgrims and other
>> >> guests.
>> >>
>> >> History is witness to the fact that Kashmiris have always protected
>> >> their non-Muslim brethren.  Hundreds of instances can be quoted to
>> >> prove the point. However, the following incident shall suffice. A
>> >> person who retired as the Chief Conservator of Forests lived in
>> >> Shahr-e-Khaas during his college days. One day while on his way to the
>> >> college he was intercepted by a crowd. Taken for a Bakra (A supporter
>> >> of Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah) he was given  sound thrashing. Somehow he ran
>> >> away but only to be caught by another violent group. This time he was
>> >> taken for a Sher (Supporter of Sheikh Abdullah) and beaten to pulp.
>> >> Again he managed his escape. When caught for the third time, he
>> >> shouted: "I am a Pandit." Nobody touched him this time. He was given
>> >> safe passage.
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