[Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat
Partha Dasgupta
parthaekka at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 17:29:49 IST 2008
Dear Radhikarajen,
1. From what I remember, one person from Doda died, so "citizens
death" is a bit of an overstatement. You, as a
journalist or ex-journalist, should be careful how you use your
words, especially when disagreeing with another
journalist.
2. You talk of issues like 'journalist' and 'citizenship' in two
breathless paragaraphs, and that seems meaningless.
Were I to be a journalist, would strive to spread the news of
what I believe to be the truth irrespective of what
state / caste / religion I come from. Similarly, as a citizen,
strive to agree with what I believe is correct and disagree
with what I believe is wrong even if the Government of the day
may have proclaimed it as correct.
3. As for birth, was born out of India, so my 'citizenship' is not
linked to my place of birth. It is because I believe this is my
country. Then again, an aunt of mine who happens to be a Russian
by birth speaks Bengali far more fluently than I do
and remembers the verses of some puja's we do in the family by heart.
Or do we look at the People of Indian Origin diaspora who live
abroad, and still insist on speaking Hindi. Shouldn't they be
speaking only English in the US since they are claiming
citizenship and follow the religion of that country?
Citizenship, or any other title for that matter should never take
over our belief in right or wrong. That's just as bad as voting
for someone because of their caste.
4. I do hope that you are glad that a qualification level has been
set for Journalism as in other professions. I'm sure that we both
agree that it's a position of responsibility and that people who
undertake the profession should go through a qualification
process. Then again, there are many small publications that lets
just about anyone write for them, so a degree / diploma in
mass communication is not really necessary.
Rgds, Partha
......................................................................
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:15 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> Pawan,
>
> to be a "journalist" today all that you need is a degree and a diploma in mass communications, and ofcourse right connections, no need of verification of facts available to you before you post the news, propagate the thoughts, you need not have any ethics and morals as long as your kitty is full of sponsors of any denomination to propagate their views as gospel new truth.!
>
> Otherwise this Shivam would not have missed the truth of citizens death in jammu injuries of citizens on protets.! That apart, when it comes to even identity of a citizen with respect to his state of birth, be it kashmir or kanyakumari, there are 30 states and citizens in all those states, and these citizens have their pride in being the Karnataka, Maharashtra or tamilnadu or Kashmir, but being Indian is the overiding factor, which unfortunately these neo breed of journalists do not seem to comprehend.?
>
> Regards.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 2:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat
> To: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>
>> Shivam ,
>>
>> If you believe non has died in Jammu , you are mistaken ....I
>> understand the
>> kind of information you may be getting in Kashmir .
>>
>> God Bless you ..
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/08, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist
>> who creates
>> > > public opinions.
>> >
>> > Partha is just as much in public life as me, I humbly submit,
>> because> he is using this list to influence public opinion. So
>> don't target me
>> > by way of my profession. I am not on this list by virtue of my
>> > profession and am not engaging on that count. So please stop these
>> > below-the-belt attacks.
>> >
>> > > Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in
>> Jammu , while
>> > as
>> > > Kashmir was let loose..
>> >
>> > Good question. And another one: what made the CRPF kill six in the
>> > Kashmir protests, but not one has died in Jammu?
>> >
>> > best
>> > shivam
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Pawan Durani
>> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > Partha ,
>> > >
>> > > you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist
>> who creates
>> > > public opinions.
>> > >
>> > > That makes a difference.
>> > >
>> > > Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in
>> Jammu , while
>> > as
>> > > Kashmir was let loose..
>> > >
>> > > Pawan
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 7/4/08, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Radhikarajen,
>> > >>
>> > >> 1. I have friends, some of whom are Muslims. When I make
>> friends, I
>> > >> look at whether
>> > >> or not I like them and if I can vibe with them. There
>> caste /
>> > >> relegion or even lack
>> > >> thereof is irrelevant to me.
>> > >>
>> > >> 2. I stay in my own house and eat my own food. Though I do
>> travel to
>> > >> my friends house
>> > >> and eat there as well.
>> > >>
>> > >> Does this mean that my body or mind is being held hostage?
>> > >>
>> > >> That logic is ridiculous. If you disagree with any statement or
>> > >> position that someone has taken, go ahead and disagree.
>> > >>
>> > >> However, none of us have super powers to be able to read
>> anyone's mind
>> > >> and know why they are saying what - unless you're going to
>> claim you
>> > >> do?
>> > >>
>> > >> Rgds, Partha
>> > >> ..................................................
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>> > >> > Hi, Shivam,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > who is financing your stay in Srinagar, it looks like
>> you are
>> > being
>> > >> held hostage with good food and your thoughts are that of a
>> hostage> talking
>> > >> good about his kidnappers.! By the way I hope you are guest
>> of Gulam
>> > nabi or
>> > >> Mufti as both are known spin doctors who use the bakras like
>> you.?> >> >
>> > >> > Regards.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> > From: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
>> > >> > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008 8:53 pm
>> > >> > Subject: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial
>> in Etalaat
>> > >> > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Tolerant Kashmiris
>> > >> >> 26 June, 2008 08:10:48
>> > >> >> http://www.etalaat.net/english/viewpoint/editorial/1111.html
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Vested interests are all out to communalize the on-going
>> agitation> >> >> against transfer of forest land to the Amarnath
>> Shrine Board. Time
>> > and
>> > >> >> again it has been made clear that the on-going agitation
>> is not
>> > >> >> against the Yatra or the Yatries. The agitation is against
>> > >> >> politicization of the Yatra. Kashmiris want the government
>> to entrust
>> > >> >> the job of conducting and facilitating Yatra to the local
>> people who
>> > >> >> have been conducting it effectively since 1860.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> To understand the on-going agitation against land transfer
>> in its
>> > >> >> right perspectives one has to look into the history of
>> Kashmir.When> >> >> important decisions concerning the future of
>> Kashmir were taken
>> > >> >> Kashmiris were always ignored. In 1947 a decision was
>> imposed on the
>> > >> >> reluctant people and since then the trend continues. In
>> early 60s the
>> > >> >> government of India omitted Article 238 from Indian
>> constitution and
>> > >> >> thus rendered article 370 infructious. The Article 370 which
>> > >> >> guarantees a special status to the state of Jammu Kashmir
>> reads: "Not
>> > >> >> withstanding any thing nothing in Article 238 shall apply
>> to the
>> > state
>> > >> >> of Jammu Kashmir." Article 370 is still there but article
>> 238 which
>> > >> >> contained the heart and soul of 370 is not there in the
>> constitution.> >> >> Kashmiris to this day do not know about this
>> fraud.> >> >>
>> > >> >> Similarly the government of India abolished the permit
>> system which
>> > >> >> required the non-state subjects to obtain a permit for
>> entering the
>> > >> >> state. Again the people were not taken into confidence.
>> In 1975 a
>> > >> >> popular movement was strangled. Again the people did not
>> protest. In
>> > >> >> 1978 the draconian public safety act (PSA) was framed.
>> People did not
>> > >> >> protest. In 1984 TADA was extended to the state. People
>> remained> >> >> silent. The Gulmarg issue shook them and the
>> transfer of land did the
>> > >> >> miracle. Even this time the government had taken the
>> people for
>> > >> >> granted.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> People are angry but they have not thrown caution to the
>> winds. They
>> > >> >> have upheld the high traditions of tolerance and have not
>> harmed any
>> > >> >> Yatri or a tourist. This is exactly what Islam teaches
>> them. The
>> > >> >> Yatries are welcome and so are the tourists. Kashmiris are
>> known for
>> > >> >> their hospitality and they will not disappoint the
>> pilgrims and other
>> > >> >> guests.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> History is witness to the fact that Kashmiris have always
>> protected> >> >> their non-Muslim brethren. Hundreds of instances
>> can be quoted to
>> > >> >> prove the point. However, the following incident shall
>> suffice. A
>> > >> >> person who retired as the Chief Conservator of Forests
>> lived in
>> > >> >> Shahr-e-Khaas during his college days. One day while on
>> his way to
>> > the
>> > >> >> college he was intercepted by a crowd. Taken for a Bakra
>> (A supporter
>> > >> >> of Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah) he was given sound thrashing.
>> Somehow he ran
>> > >> >> away but only to be caught by another violent group. This
>> time he was
>> > >> >> taken for a Sher (Supporter of Sheikh Abdullah) and beaten
>> to pulp.
>> > >> >> Again he managed his escape. When caught for the third
>> time, he
>> > >> >> shouted: "I am a Pandit." Nobody touched him this time. He
>> was given
>> > >> >> safe passage.
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