[Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat

Syed Yunus delhi.yunus at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 17:46:28 IST 2008 

Dear Radhika Rajen,

Please do give the news from jammu, i will be thankful  & so would be other
list members following the debate.

Second, I don't get your point why one can't be proud of being a
maharashtrian, or kashmiri along with the proud of being Indian. all these
are identy layers, so where is the conflict?? for instance,I'm proud to be a
delhite, proud to be an Indian & proud to be a Muslim,

Similary loving ones origin, culture, or group or association does not
necessarily means hate other culture, groups etc.

To me this is the thin line that differentiate between a patriotic and an
ethnocentric person.

Carry on with your writings.

Best,

Yunus



On 7/8/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>
> Pawan,
>
>   to be a "journalist" today all that you need is a degree and a diploma in
> mass communications, and ofcourse right connections, no need of verification
> of facts available to you before you post the news, propagate the thoughts,
> you need not have any ethics and morals as long as your kitty is full of
> sponsors of any denomination to propagate their views as gospel new truth.!
>
> Otherwise this Shivam would not have missed the truth of citizens death in
> jammu injuries of citizens on protets.! That apart, when it comes to even
> identity of a citizen with respect to his state of birth, be it kashmir or
> kanyakumari, there are 30 states and citizens in all those states, and these
> citizens have their pride in being the Karnataka, Maharashtra or tamilnadu
> or Kashmir, but being Indian is the overiding factor, which unfortunately
> these neo breed of journalists do not seem to comprehend.?
>
> Regards.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 2:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat
> To: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>
> > Shivam ,
> >
> > If you believe non has died in Jammu , you are mistaken ....I
> > understand the
> > kind of information you may be getting in Kashmir .
> >
> > God Bless you ..
> >
> >
> > On 7/7/08, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist
> > who creates
> > > > public opinions.
> > >
> > > Partha is just as much in public life as me, I humbly submit,
> > because> he is using this list to influence public opinion. So
> > don't target me
> > > by way of my profession. I am not on this list by virtue of my
> > > profession and am not engaging on that count. So please stop these
> > > below-the-belt attacks.
> > >
> > > > Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in
> > Jammu , while
> > > as
> > > > Kashmir was let loose..
> > >
> > > Good question. And another one: what made the CRPF kill six in the
> > > Kashmir protests, but not one has died in Jammu?
> > >
> > > best
> > > shivam
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Pawan Durani
> > <pawan.durani at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > Partha ,
> > > >
> > > > you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist
> > who creates
> > > > public opinions.
> > > >
> > > > That makes a difference.
> > > >
> > > > Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in
> > Jammu , while
> > > as
> > > > Kashmir was let loose..
> > > >
> > > > Pawan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/4/08, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear Radhikarajen,
> > > >>
> > > >> 1.   I have friends, some of whom are Muslims. When I make
> > friends, I
> > > >> look at whether
> > > >>      or not I like them and if I can vibe with them. There
> > caste /
> > > >> relegion or even lack
> > > >>      thereof is irrelevant to me.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2.   I stay in my own house and eat my own food. Though I do
> > travel to
> > > >> my friends house
> > > >>      and eat there as well.
> > > >>
> > > >> Does this mean that my body or mind is being held hostage?
> > > >>
> > > >> That logic is ridiculous. If you disagree with any statement or
> > > >> position that someone has taken, go ahead and disagree.
> > > >>
> > > >> However, none of us have super powers to be able to read
> > anyone's mind
> > > >> and know why they are saying what - unless you're going to
> > claim you
> > > >> do?
> > > >>
> > > >> Rgds, Partha
> > > >> ..................................................
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM,  <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> > > >> > Hi, Shivam,
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     who is financing your stay in Srinagar, it looks like
> > you are
> > > being
> > > >> held hostage with good food and your thoughts are that of a
> > hostage> talking
> > > >> good about his kidnappers.! By the way I hope you are guest
> > of Gulam
> > > nabi or
> > > >> Mufti as both are known spin doctors who use the bakras like
> > you.?> >> >
> > > >> >  Regards.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
> > > >> > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008 8:53 pm
> > > >> > Subject: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial
> > in Etalaat
> > > >> > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Tolerant Kashmiris
> > > >> >> 26 June, 2008 08:10:48
> > > >> >> http://www.etalaat.net/english/viewpoint/editorial/1111.html
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Vested interests are all out to communalize the on-going
> > agitation> >> >> against transfer of forest land to the Amarnath
> > Shrine Board. Time
> > > and
> > > >> >> again it has been made clear that the on-going agitation
> > is not
> > > >> >> against the Yatra or the Yatries. The agitation is against
> > > >> >> politicization of the Yatra. Kashmiris want the government
> > to entrust
> > > >> >> the job of conducting and facilitating Yatra to the local
> > people who
> > > >> >> have been conducting it effectively since 1860.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> To understand the on-going agitation against land transfer
> > in its
> > > >> >> right perspectives one has to look into the history of
> > Kashmir.When> >> >> important decisions concerning the future of
> > Kashmir were taken
> > > >> >> Kashmiris were always ignored. In 1947 a decision was
> > imposed on the
> > > >> >> reluctant people and since then the trend continues. In
> > early 60s the
> > > >> >> government of India omitted Article 238 from Indian
> > constitution and
> > > >> >> thus rendered article 370 infructious. The Article 370 which
> > > >> >> guarantees a special status to the state of Jammu Kashmir
> > reads: "Not
> > > >> >> withstanding any thing nothing in Article 238 shall apply
> > to the
> > > state
> > > >> >> of Jammu Kashmir." Article 370 is still there but article
> > 238 which
> > > >> >> contained the heart and soul of 370 is not there in the
> > constitution.> >> >> Kashmiris to this day do not know about this
> > fraud.> >> >>
> > > >> >> Similarly the government of India abolished the permit
> > system which
> > > >> >> required the non-state subjects to obtain a permit for
> > entering the
> > > >> >> state. Again the people were not taken into confidence.
> > In 1975 a
> > > >> >> popular movement was strangled. Again the people did not
> > protest. In
> > > >> >> 1978 the draconian public safety act (PSA) was framed.
> > People did not
> > > >> >> protest. In 1984 TADA was extended to the state. People
> > remained> >> >> silent. The Gulmarg issue shook them and the
> > transfer of land did the
> > > >> >> miracle. Even this time the government had taken the
> > people for
> > > >> >> granted.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> People are angry but they have not thrown caution to the
> > winds. They
> > > >> >> have upheld the high traditions of tolerance and have not
> > harmed any
> > > >> >> Yatri or a tourist. This is exactly what Islam teaches
> > them. The
> > > >> >> Yatries are welcome and so are the tourists. Kashmiris are
> > known for
> > > >> >> their hospitality and they will not disappoint the
> > pilgrims and other
> > > >> >> guests.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> History is witness to the fact that Kashmiris have always
> > protected> >> >> their non-Muslim brethren.  Hundreds of instances
> > can be quoted to
> > > >> >> prove the point. However, the following incident shall
> > suffice. A
> > > >> >> person who retired as the Chief Conservator of Forests
> > lived in
> > > >> >> Shahr-e-Khaas during his college days. One day while on
> > his way to
> > > the
> > > >> >> college he was intercepted by a crowd. Taken for a Bakra
> > (A supporter
> > > >> >> of Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah) he was given  sound thrashing.
> > Somehow he ran
> > > >> >> away but only to be caught by another violent group. This
> > time he was
> > > >> >> taken for a Sher (Supporter of Sheikh Abdullah) and beaten
> > to pulp.
> > > >> >> Again he managed his escape. When caught for the third
> > time, he
> > > >> >> shouted: "I am a Pandit." Nobody touched him this time. He
> > was given
> > > >> >> safe passage.
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