[Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 19:26:10 IST 2008 

Syed ,

Incase you are blocked to google Jammu of your own , pls click on
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=jammu+violence

this may give you some news .

Pawan


On 7/8/08, Syed Yunus <delhi.yunus at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Radhika Rajen,
>
> Please do give the news from jammu, i will be thankful  & so would be other
> list members following the debate.
>
> Second, I don't get your point why one can't be proud of being a
> maharashtrian, or kashmiri along with the proud of being Indian. all these
> are identy layers, so where is the conflict?? for instance,I'm proud to be a
> delhite, proud to be an Indian & proud to be a Muslim,
>
> Similary loving ones origin, culture, or group or association does not
> necessarily means hate other culture, groups etc.
>
> To me this is the thin line that differentiate between a patriotic and an
> ethnocentric person.
>
> Carry on with your writings.
>
> Best,
>
> Yunus
>
>
>
> On 7/8/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>>
>> Pawan,
>>
>>   to be a "journalist" today all that you need is a degree and a diploma
>> in mass communications, and ofcourse right connections, no need of
>> verification of facts available to you before you post the news, propagate
>> the thoughts, you need not have any ethics and morals as long as your kitty
>> is full of sponsors of any denomination to propagate their views as gospel
>> new truth.!
>>
>> Otherwise this Shivam would not have missed the truth of citizens death in
>> jammu injuries of citizens on protets.! That apart, when it comes to even
>> identity of a citizen with respect to his state of birth, be it kashmir or
>> kanyakumari, there are 30 states and citizens in all those states, and these
>> citizens have their pride in being the Karnataka, Maharashtra or tamilnadu
>> or Kashmir, but being Indian is the overiding factor, which unfortunately
>> these neo breed of journalists do not seem to comprehend.?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 2:25 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat
>> To: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
>> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>
>> > Shivam ,
>> >
>> > If you believe non has died in Jammu , you are mistaken ....I
>> > understand the
>> > kind of information you may be getting in Kashmir .
>> >
>> > God Bless you ..
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/7/08, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist
>> > who creates
>> > > > public opinions.
>> > >
>> > > Partha is just as much in public life as me, I humbly submit,
>> > because> he is using this list to influence public opinion. So
>> > don't target me
>> > > by way of my profession. I am not on this list by virtue of my
>> > > profession and am not engaging on that count. So please stop these
>> > > below-the-belt attacks.
>> > >
>> > > > Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in
>> > Jammu , while
>> > > as
>> > > > Kashmir was let loose..
>> > >
>> > > Good question. And another one: what made the CRPF kill six in the
>> > > Kashmir protests, but not one has died in Jammu?
>> > >
>> > > best
>> > > shivam
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Pawan Durani
>> > <pawan.durani at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > > Partha ,
>> > > >
>> > > > you are not in public life....Shivam is . He is a journalist
>> > who creates
>> > > > public opinions.
>> > > >
>> > > > That makes a difference.
>> > > >
>> > > > Lastly ......what made Ghulam Nabi Azaad impose curfew in
>> > Jammu , while
>> > > as
>> > > > Kashmir was let loose..
>> > > >
>> > > > Pawan
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 7/4/08, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Dear Radhikarajen,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 1.   I have friends, some of whom are Muslims. When I make
>> > friends, I
>> > > >> look at whether
>> > > >>      or not I like them and if I can vibe with them. There
>> > caste /
>> > > >> relegion or even lack
>> > > >>      thereof is irrelevant to me.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 2.   I stay in my own house and eat my own food. Though I do
>> > travel to
>> > > >> my friends house
>> > > >>      and eat there as well.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Does this mean that my body or mind is being held hostage?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> That logic is ridiculous. If you disagree with any statement or
>> > > >> position that someone has taken, go ahead and disagree.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> However, none of us have super powers to be able to read
>> > anyone's mind
>> > > >> and know why they are saying what - unless you're going to
>> > claim you
>> > > >> do?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Rgds, Partha
>> > > >> ..................................................
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM,  <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>> > > >> > Hi, Shivam,
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >     who is financing your stay in Srinagar, it looks like
>> > you are
>> > > being
>> > > >> held hostage with good food and your thoughts are that of a
>> > hostage> talking
>> > > >> good about his kidnappers.! By the way I hope you are guest
>> > of Gulam
>> > > nabi or
>> > > >> Mufti as both are known spin doctors who use the bakras like
>> > you.?> >> >
>> > > >> >  Regards.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> > From: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
>> > > >> > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008 8:53 pm
>> > > >> > Subject: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial
>> > in Etalaat
>> > > >> > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >> Tolerant Kashmiris
>> > > >> >> 26 June, 2008 08:10:48
>> > > >> >> http://www.etalaat.net/english/viewpoint/editorial/1111.html
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> Vested interests are all out to communalize the on-going
>> > agitation> >> >> against transfer of forest land to the Amarnath
>> > Shrine Board. Time
>> > > and
>> > > >> >> again it has been made clear that the on-going agitation
>> > is not
>> > > >> >> against the Yatra or the Yatries. The agitation is against
>> > > >> >> politicization of the Yatra. Kashmiris want the government
>> > to entrust
>> > > >> >> the job of conducting and facilitating Yatra to the local
>> > people who
>> > > >> >> have been conducting it effectively since 1860.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> To understand the on-going agitation against land transfer
>> > in its
>> > > >> >> right perspectives one has to look into the history of
>> > Kashmir.When> >> >> important decisions concerning the future of
>> > Kashmir were taken
>> > > >> >> Kashmiris were always ignored. In 1947 a decision was
>> > imposed on the
>> > > >> >> reluctant people and since then the trend continues. In
>> > early 60s the
>> > > >> >> government of India omitted Article 238 from Indian
>> > constitution and
>> > > >> >> thus rendered article 370 infructious. The Article 370 which
>> > > >> >> guarantees a special status to the state of Jammu Kashmir
>> > reads: "Not
>> > > >> >> withstanding any thing nothing in Article 238 shall apply
>> > to the
>> > > state
>> > > >> >> of Jammu Kashmir." Article 370 is still there but article
>> > 238 which
>> > > >> >> contained the heart and soul of 370 is not there in the
>> > constitution.> >> >> Kashmiris to this day do not know about this
>> > fraud.> >> >>
>> > > >> >> Similarly the government of India abolished the permit
>> > system which
>> > > >> >> required the non-state subjects to obtain a permit for
>> > entering the
>> > > >> >> state. Again the people were not taken into confidence.
>> > In 1975 a
>> > > >> >> popular movement was strangled. Again the people did not
>> > protest. In
>> > > >> >> 1978 the draconian public safety act (PSA) was framed.
>> > People did not
>> > > >> >> protest. In 1984 TADA was extended to the state. People
>> > remained> >> >> silent. The Gulmarg issue shook them and the
>> > transfer of land did the
>> > > >> >> miracle. Even this time the government had taken the
>> > people for
>> > > >> >> granted.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> People are angry but they have not thrown caution to the
>> > winds. They
>> > > >> >> have upheld the high traditions of tolerance and have not
>> > harmed any
>> > > >> >> Yatri or a tourist. This is exactly what Islam teaches
>> > them. The
>> > > >> >> Yatries are welcome and so are the tourists. Kashmiris are
>> > known for
>> > > >> >> their hospitality and they will not disappoint the
>> > pilgrims and other
>> > > >> >> guests.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> History is witness to the fact that Kashmiris have always
>> > protected> >> >> their non-Muslim brethren.  Hundreds of instances
>> > can be quoted to
>> > > >> >> prove the point. However, the following incident shall
>> > suffice. A
>> > > >> >> person who retired as the Chief Conservator of Forests
>> > lived in
>> > > >> >> Shahr-e-Khaas during his college days. One day while on
>> > his way to
>> > > the
>> > > >> >> college he was intercepted by a crowd. Taken for a Bakra
>> > (A supporter
>> > > >> >> of Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah) he was given  sound thrashing.
>> > Somehow he ran
>> > > >> >> away but only to be caught by another violent group. This
>> > time he was
>> > > >> >> taken for a Sher (Supporter of Sheikh Abdullah) and beaten
>> > to pulp.
>> > > >> >> Again he managed his escape. When caught for the third
>> > time, he
>> > > >> >> shouted: "I am a Pandit." Nobody touched him this time. He
>> > was given
>> > > >> >> safe passage.
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