[Reader-list] Farewell to our Humid Weimar

Sat Jul 12 21:16:16 IST 2008

> elitist ides of knowledge

I meant ideas

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
<mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> And what I meant to say is that I have a problem with not only getting
> personal in arguments, but more than that, this club mentality, this
> holier-than-thou approach that if you are a journalist you would know
> this, and you are a researcher you would know more of this, and if you
> are a housewife you must be an ignoramus because you don't have access
> to channels of information. In the age of the internet I don't
> subscribe to such elitist ides of knowledge.
>
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:10 PM, prakash ray <pkray11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Shivam,
>>
>> What I meant to say that since you are a reporter, you could have collectted
>> more on that since as reporter you have certain avenues and previledges, and
>> through your contacts and fellow-reporters. No. I am not anything, just a
>> member on this list. I had joined DD in 2003, later same year UNI. also
>> worked with India TV for sometime when Tarun Tejpal, Editor-in-Chief, was
>> associated with the chhanel alongwith Ms Menaka Gandhi, a BJP MP. You are
>> right that a non-reporter can do research. I also left media to be a
>> researcher.
>>
>> Prakash
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Shivam could have researched on the matter since he is a reporter
>>> > himself.
>>>
>>> I wonder why a non-reporter can't do research. And if you know these
>>> things, are you a supra-editor or something????
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 8:52 PM, prakash ray <pkray11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear all,
>>> >
>>> > It is not surprising to hear some of the 'liberated' ones (read Shuddha,
>>> > Shivam and Salim) mouthing anti-Left arguments over the current debate
>>> over
>>> > the nuclear deal. People like them, as far as I remember, have 'always'
>>> > attacked the Left without any gap or break. I do not want to blame them
>>> for
>>> > their political positions, but I would accuse them for their
>>> > shortsightedness for not seeing or observing any positive contribution or
>>> > position of the Left. Some of us consider ourselves 'liberated' since we
>>> > write, read and lecture, and we only do that. We forget that our 'false
>>> > sense of liberation' is a mere reflection of our handsome salaries and
>>> > convenient middle class location. And I do not consider that a sin.
>>> However,
>>> > I request them to reconsider their 'holier than all' approach.
>>> >
>>> > Coming to the issue of the Deal, I am wondering they do not articulate
>>> their
>>> > position except mouthing anti- everything nuclear sacredness. Their
>>> belief
>>> > of the Left and BJP coming together is speculative and based on a report
>>> > appeared in Times Now website. Let me ask them that they believe what the
>>> > TOI and its associates say on the Deal or the Nano car or economic
>>> policies
>>> > etc. Shivam could have researched on the matter since he is a reporter
>>> > himself. I would like to hear from Shuddha on the support extended by the
>>> > Left to the UPA for the last four years. Mr Advani getting interviewed in
>>> > the Hindu must be looked at a mere media exercise. Every
>>> > newspaper/magazine/channel including Tehlka publishes interviews of the
>>> > politicians of all colours including Mr Mahendra Karma of the Salwa Judum
>>> > infamy. The Hindu 'also' publishes Ms Arundhati Roy at regular
>>> intervention
>>> > and it was Mr N Ram who interviewed the former President K R Narayanan on
>>> > the eve of the Republic Day which was telecast on DD in place of the
>>> > customary prez speeches. And here on the Sarai reder list, the
>>> right-wingers
>>> > get more space. Should one read it as 'something' about the moderator or
>>> > Shuddha himself?
>>> >
>>> > I see the Deal as a profound sign of the Govt's closeness to the US
>>> > administration that is waging war against mankind everywhere and
>>> > continuously demonizing the opposing sections worldwide. I do not find
>>> any
>>> > fault if someone sees the Deal as anti-Muslim given the fact that the US
>>> and
>>> > Indian Govts are continuously targeting the community. I do not think the
>>> > readers need fact related to this. I do not find any fault if someone
>>> sees
>>> > the deal as an attack on the national sovereignty since I consider the
>>> > nation as a weapon against the growing imperialist attack on the poor and
>>> > less-powerful nations. I support the alliance of such nation against the
>>> > policies and politics of the US.
>>> >
>>> > Opposing the Deal is to oppose every evil of the Imperialism.
>>> >
>>> > Let me ask some simple questions:
>>> >
>>> > Was the Left wrong when they supported the UPA led by the Congress?
>>> > Should the Left continue the support so that Dr Singh could go ahead with
>>> > the Deal?
>>> > Should the Deal be supported since the BJP might get benefit in elections
>>> if
>>> > the Govt falls?
>>> > Since BJP has members in the Loksabha, should the Left oppose or support
>>> > everything only on the basis of the position taken by the BJP?
>>> > Are the policies of Mr Bush not guided by the ideology of the 'clash of
>>> > civilizations'?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Prakash
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