[Reader-list] On Suicide

Thu Jul 24 13:58:30 IST 2008

Your thoughts have lot of merits in them as so far as the disgust at being not able to "change" any thing in life to ones liking with all out efforts may lead to a frustration of being helpless.

   Sati is not suicide but an action when barbaric acts of rape in the hands of invaders , after the natives were vanquished in wars, was more horrendous than jumping into fire.?

 Dakshayini, the daughter of Parvatharaja, jumped into yajnakunda as she could not see the groom of hers being insulted, but then had to wait for ages to join her husband again, 
    Simple lesson of any faith is to overcome the difficult situations in life with use of intellect and calm mind, not escape from the scene of difficulties.?

  It is truely sad that human life which is one of the best in animal kingdom is wasted away by some wrong minds, instead of using the life to be of use to ones own loved ones, as charity begins at home, then be useful to the others in society.!

 Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: Aman Sethi <aman.am at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:31 pm
Subject: [Reader-list] On Suicide
To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>

> I was quite surprised by the suicide of RSS sanghi Kuldeep Kumar as
> well; it probably stems from my failure to understand the "situation
> on the ground" in J&K.   While Aditya post identifies him as "Kuldeep
> Dogra" - this morning's Indian Express refers to him as "Kuldeep
> Kumar".  I assume he is Kuldeep Kumar Dogra.
> ( It is based on this report that I describe him as an RSS member.
> The news report quotes one of Dogra/Kumar's relatives as saying "he
> was a staunch RSS supporter"). The land issue doesn't seem like the
> sort of thing to trigger off such a dire step; but neither does the
> fear of failing at a CBSE exam - a suicide trigger that claims several
> young lives every year.
> 
> Could anyone enlighten me on the cultural history of the practice? 
> Is
> it related in any way to an idea of the after life, or the notion of
> heaven? Of course one has heard of the highly ritualised and stylised
> harakiri practice of Japan; and other practices like sati (which is
> not strictly suicide - or is it?)
> 
> I remember reading that Kerala - India's own answer to Scandinavian
> human development indices - has the highest suicide rate in the
> country.  A rediff article -
> http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/apr/15spec.htm (article reproduced
> below) - claims that, In kerala, some 32 people commit suicide every
> day! Of total Indian suicides, one half to three quarters are women;
> compared to a global average suggests that men are three times more
> likely to kill themselves. This again raises a number of disturbing
> questions.
> 
> Other information on suicide suggests that anti-depressants like
> Prozac might actually encourage suicide -
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/758763.stm .
> 
> My grandfather once told me a relative of his who, as a young man,
> witnessed the partition riots as a child; walked home and died of
> trauma - could this be termed suicide - a point where - disturbed 
> by a
> world out of control - decides to abdicate.
> 
> Best
> a.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:04 AM, inder salim 
> <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > i am quite interested in suicides, but only if they are 
> triggered by
> > some psychological reasons
> > , a normal suicide is triggered even  by a  simple failure in the
> > school exams...which too is very important...
> >
> > a truly poltical person will  go for a sucide only if the casue is
> > universal, but this kuldeep dogra (if one believes the news item )
> > seems certainly a naive or a weakling ....  and if the hindutva 
> world> thinks kuldeep dogra a truly political hero and a real 
> shiva devotee
> > then they should construct a monument in his name and may be declare
> > him a saint event.   i remember that  upper caste mr. Goswami 
> who set
> > himself ablaze for  Mandal issue, proved that his action was
> > meaningless, and he was not a political minded person, ....some
> > personal insecurity can cause the victim to go for such an extreme,
> > ....in fact such minds are waiting for a spark, and that can 
> come from
> > any quarter...so imagine how many such suicides would have 
> happened if
> > the land was actually transfered. to shrine board in the valley.....
> > Lord Shiva is happy in his heaven, all is well with the world....
> >
> > now why on earth some  richy rich Amarnath Srine Board member never
> > thought about suicide.... why a noted name in Hindutva world  
> does not
> > think about jumping from some mountain,  why it always an 
> unknown face
> > who decides to end his life.
> >
> > this applies to all religions, and that why only some young 
> minds are
> > won over by murderous  words and pushes the victim to this
> > extreme....sad....i have sympathy for this young man, but what a
> > misguided end.
> >
> > society is a strange set of cards, and we will never know what the
> > other is holding nearer to her or his heart.... it is usually the
> > poverty  which pushes a family to suicide, but even Marx noted 
> in his
> > personal diaries that casue of 'misery' sometimes can be other than
> > poverty,..... of course the times were such that this kind of 
> thought> could not crept into his 'manifesto', but this has been 
> extensively> debated later on...
> >
> > i am yet to grasp the meaning of suicide.... and that is what 
> made me
> > to write about it in the first place
> >
> > with love
> > is
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> > <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > *Activist commits suicide over Amarnath land transfer issue*
> > > **
> > > *Srinagar , July 23 (ANI):* A man in Jammu and Kashmir 
> committed suicide
> > > today, to protest the cancellation of the land transfer to the 
> Amarnath> > Shrine Board.
> > >
> > > Kuldip Dogra decided to give up his life to pressurise the 
> State authorities
> > > to accept the demand for the return of land.
> > >
> > > The Jammu and Kashmir Government was forced to back down on 
> its decision to
> > > transfer 100 acres (40.47 hectares) of forest land to Shri 
> Amarnathji Shrine
> > > Board (SASB) due to a week-long protest.
> > >
> > > Staging protests in Jammu , activists of Amarnath Sangharsh 
> (struggle)> > committee said if the authorities do not return the 
> land more such
> > > sacrifices will be made.
> > >
> > > During the two-month-long pilgrimage, thousands of devotees 
> from all over
> > > the country visit the cave shrine, situated at an altitude of 
> 3,800 metres
> > > (12,700 feet), to pray to Lord Shiva. (ANI)
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