[Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History

[Aditya Raj Kaul]

May Lord Shiva on the auspacious festival of Shivratri Bless all "Left
oriented problem creators" and forgive them for their sins.

On 3/5/08, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So! Both are right?
> This is one of the stupidest comments you might ever have made in your
> life.
> So CPM murders people, does this allow your BJP to murder and wander
> scottfree?
> When the dogs fight with each other, they must  leave the human beings
> alone.
> Time for Radhikarjun's mails to go to the bullshit folder from now on.
> How ridiculously narrow some people on this list have become.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
> To: "TaraPrakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>; <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
>
>
> Hey,
> but chief minister did not even had courage to visit Nandigram and singur
> after his cadres killed "them" and paid them in the same coin.!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:09 am
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net
>
> > No less than the chief minister visited the murderer and who you
> > might
> > consider the upholder of Indian culture, in the prison. The only
> > witness who
> > came forward to testify was forced to recant by MP police. Where
> > does the
> > court come in to this?
> >
> > It is irony of Hindu religion and more so that of  Ram, that his
> > name has
> > been misappropriated and now being dragged in to politics by
> > murderers,
> > liars, profiteers, opportunists.
> >
> > It is interesting though that your last couple messages talked
> > more about
> > the feud between Congress/NSUI and BJP/ABVP. And yes you right in
> > your
> > revised assumption that only these parties bring the campus to
> > stand still
> > on the non-issues.
> > ---- Original Message -----
> > From: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
> >
> >
> > > Have you ever wondered why the Ujjain Murder Case of Prof.
> > Sabharwal has
> > > yet
> > > not been solved ? You may say that Madhya Pradesh has a BJP let
> > Govt.
> > > which
> > > controls everything directly or indirectly and influences every
> > step
> > > taken.
> > > But, for your information; the case is now in Supreme Court and
> > yet no
> > > Justice. As I was personally linked with fighting the cases of
> > Jessica
> > > Lall
> > > and Priyadarshini Mattoo; I tried to help Prof. Sabharwal's son
> > in this
> > > case
> > > but unfortunately it was nothing much then a Congress -BJP
> > tussle. I've
> > > seen
> > > the video recordings of the entire episode much before and even
> > after the
> > > incident. The whole episode has many negative elements apart
> > from ABVP
> > > which
> > > have played a strong role. I've also met the senior advocate of
> > supreme> court who happens to be the lawyer of Sabharwal's even he
> > is tired of this
> > > BJP-Congress game. You'll have to investigate it further before
> > mere
> > > playing
> > > of blame game.
> > >
> > > We both agree to disagree with each other. But, its for sure
> > that in
> > > today's
> > > senario be it NSUI, ABVP or for that matter the left SFI; they
> > have lost
> > > their track and are directionless moving in this democracy. They
> > blindly
> > > go
> > > on the way their masters want them get in. The crores of monet
> > spent on
> > > glamourous student body elections especially in Delhi is well
> > known to
> > > all.
> > > And, still this silence. It speaks volumes about the stumbling
> > system.>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/3/08, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Very peaceful in deed. They peacefully murder teachers and
> > students. It's
> > >> all about elections.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > >> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:38 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University
> > History>>
> > >>
> > >> > Below is a newsitem from the Indian Express. Unlike SFI, ABVP has
> > >> decided
> > >> > to
> > >> > launch peacefull college to college awareness campaign.
> > Unlike left
> > >> > lazy
> > >> > and
> > >> > violent left wing, ABVP looks at the broader picture of
> > students
> > >> > studies
> > >> > which should not get affected. Its high time left cheap publicity
> > >> seekers
> > >> > wake up and do some brainstorming. God Bless All. :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > Remarks on Lord Ram in textbook: ABVP to hold protests in DU
> > colleges>> >  **
> > >> > *Posted online: Monday , March 03, 2008 at 10:31:30
> > >> > * **
> > >> > *New Delhi, March 2* The ABVP is planning to hold protests
> > across Delhi
> > >> > University colleges against the inclusion of "atrocious"
> > remarks on
> > >> > Lord
> > >> > Ram
> > >> > in its history text books, activists said.'
> > >> >
> > >> > Twenty-four hours after being released from Tihar Jail, state
> > joint>> > secretary of ABVP Vikas Dahiya—who was arrested on
> > Tuesday for violent
> > >> > protests in the university on the issue—said he wants the
> > police to
> > >> > take
> > >> > action against the DU V-C Deepak Pental.
> > >> >
> > >> > He also demanded for action against head of the department
> > (History) S
> > >> > Z
> > >> H
> > >> > Jafri and Upinder Singh, daughter of Prime Minster Manmohan
> > Singh,
> > >> > whose
> > >> > name is printed on the book as the compiler.
> > >> >
> > >> > "We are planning to lodge an FIR against them for hurting the
> > religious>> > sentiments of Hindus," Dahiya said at a press
> > conference held at North
> > >> > Campus today.
> > >> >
> > >> > From Monday, Vikas said, ABVP activists would visit at least two
> > >> colleges
> > >> > each day to seek support from principals and students for a
> > >> > college-wise
> > >> > demonstration.
> > >> >
> > >> > Vikas alleged the Delhi Police and DU authorities were biased
> > and said
> > >> > that
> > >> > though arrest warrants were issued against eight persons,
> > there were
> > >> only
> > >> > five people in the building during the violence.
> > >> >
> > >> > "When Amrita Bahri and Devraj Tehlan of the NSUI ran amok in
> > the
> > >> > History
> > >> > Department last year, no action was taken against them," he
> > claimed.>> >
> > >> > Payal Mago, reader in DU and vice president of ABVP, said
> > that if
> > >> Upinder
> > >> > Singh had not compiled the material as claimed by History
> > Department,>> > "what
> > >> > took her so long to deny charges".
> > >> >
> > >> > "The book has been in circulation for around one and a half
> > years. She
> > >> > could
> > >> > have corrected the mistake any time," she said.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 3/3/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi, with one billion and more people, let there be that many
> > Ramayanas>> in
> > >> >> their freedom of expression and creativity, but the issue
> > here is does
> > >> >> freedom of expression is only to denigrete others faith. ?
> > Those
> > >> >> places
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> learning which are filled with chamchas and hangers on who
> > deride
> > >> >> hindu
> > >> >> faith should write that many bibles and qurans also, that is
> > >> >> secularism
> > >> >> at
> > >> >> work. !
> > >> >> Regards.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: Prem Chandavarkar <prem.cnt at gmail.com>
> > >> >> Date: Monday, March 3, 2008 9:58 am
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University
> > History>> >> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > >> >> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > On 03/03/2008, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > wrote:>> >> > >
> > >> >> > > We were well know that originally there are only two
> > Ramayan's>> >> > that we
> > >> >> > > recognise; one by Tulsidas and another by Valmiki. There
> > maybe a
> > >> few
> > >> >> > > hundred
> > >> >> > > more stories based on poetry from various places etc.
> > But, lets
> > >> >> > for a
> > >> >> > > change
> > >> >> > > concentrate on the original source while studying
> > history in an
> > >> >> > > institution
> > >> >> > > rather then secondary and modern opinions, translations
> > etc etc.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > To me, such a statement is the heart of the problem, and
> > is the
> > >> >> > reason why
> > >> >> > this discussion thread started in the first place.  It implies
> > >> >> > that there is
> > >> >> > a primary authoritative history which must be regarded,
> > and many
> > >> >> > secondaryhistories which can be immediately dismissed as
> > inferior>> >> > and ignorable.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Such a classification should also be accompanied by an
> > ethical and
> > >> >> > intellectual justification of the basis on which it is
> > made.  It
> > >> >> > cannot be
> > >> >> > merely stated that this must be so because it is a
> > majority belief
> > >> >> > or a
> > >> >> > historical imperative that has endured for ages, for that
> > is the
> > >> >> > argumentthat was used to defend colonialism, slavery and
> > apartheid.>> >> >
> > >> >> > Let me link this to an earlier thread on history and
> > archive, and
> > >> >> > put
> > >> >> > forward the following proposition:  The archive is an ethical,
> > >> >> > rather than
> > >> >> > epistemological, imperative of history as a discipline.
> > History>> >> > cannot be
> > >> >> > ethically validated without the discipline incorporating an
> > >> >> > ongoing discourse on the basis of which something is to be
> > >> >> > categorised as
> > >> >> > archive, or dismissed as non-archive.
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