[Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History

Thu Mar 6 15:52:32 IST 2008

Ha, Ha, so now your BJP people and our cadres. ? Come on, let us be more stupid than this, if not more intelligent.The fact of the matter is people are killed, violence is justified by you for "your people," where as individuals like me are lost in the melee, as we are just ordinary citizens of the nation, not belonging to any class, caste or region., we are not required by anybody, individuals like us are seeing the spade as spade, and call it spade, irrespective of who holds it, ofcourse you have right to say that spade is instrument of poor to throw mud at others.!
Regards.

----- Original Message -----
From: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Cc: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net

> So! Both are right?
> This is one of the stupidest comments you might ever have made in 
> your life.
> So CPM murders people, does this allow your BJP to murder and 
> wander 
> scottfree?
> When the dogs fight with each other, they must  leave the human 
> beings 
> alone.
> Time for Radhikarjun's mails to go to the bullshit folder from now on.
> How ridiculously narrow some people on this list have become.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
> To: "TaraPrakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>; <reader-
> list at sarai.net>Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
> 
> 
> Hey,
> but chief minister did not even had courage to visit Nandigram 
> and singur 
> after his cadres killed "them" and paid them in the same coin.!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:09 am
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net
> 
> > No less than the chief minister visited the murderer and who you
> > might
> > consider the upholder of Indian culture, in the prison. The only
> > witness who
> > came forward to testify was forced to recant by MP police. Where
> > does the
> > court come in to this?
> >
> > It is irony of Hindu religion and more so that of  Ram, that his
> > name has
> > been misappropriated and now being dragged in to politics by
> > murderers,
> > liars, profiteers, opportunists.
> >
> > It is interesting though that your last couple messages talked
> > more about
> > the feud between Congress/NSUI and BJP/ABVP. And yes you right in
> > your
> > revised assumption that only these parties bring the campus to
> > stand still
> > on the non-issues.
> > ---- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
> >
> >
> > > Have you ever wondered why the Ujjain Murder Case of Prof.
> > Sabharwal has
> > > yet
> > > not been solved ? You may say that Madhya Pradesh has a BJP let
> > Govt.
> > > which
> > > controls everything directly or indirectly and influences every
> > step
> > > taken.
> > > But, for your information; the case is now in Supreme Court and
> > yet no
> > > Justice. As I was personally linked with fighting the cases of
> > Jessica
> > > Lall
> > > and Priyadarshini Mattoo; I tried to help Prof. Sabharwal's son
> > in this
> > > case
> > > but unfortunately it was nothing much then a Congress -BJP
> > tussle. I've
> > > seen
> > > the video recordings of the entire episode much before and even
> > after the
> > > incident. The whole episode has many negative elements apart
> > from ABVP
> > > which
> > > have played a strong role. I've also met the senior advocate of
> > supreme> court who happens to be the lawyer of Sabharwal's even he
> > is tired of this
> > > BJP-Congress game. You'll have to investigate it further before
> > mere
> > > playing
> > > of blame game.
> > >
> > > We both agree to disagree with each other. But, its for sure
> > that in
> > > today's
> > > senario be it NSUI, ABVP or for that matter the left SFI; they
> > have lost
> > > their track and are directionless moving in this democracy. They
> > blindly
> > > go
> > > on the way their masters want them get in. The crores of monet
> > spent on
> > > glamourous student body elections especially in Delhi is well
> > known to
> > > all.
> > > And, still this silence. It speaks volumes about the stumbling
> > system.>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/3/08, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Very peaceful in deed. They peacefully murder teachers and
> > students. It's
> > >> all about elections.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > >> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:38 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University
> > History>>
> > >>
> > >> > Below is a newsitem from the Indian Express. Unlike SFI, 
> ABVP has
> > >> decided
> > >> > to
> > >> > launch peacefull college to college awareness campaign.
> > Unlike left
> > >> > lazy
> > >> > and
> > >> > violent left wing, ABVP looks at the broader picture of
> > students
> > >> > studies
> > >> > which should not get affected. Its high time left cheap 
> publicity> >> seekers
> > >> > wake up and do some brainstorming. God Bless All. :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > Remarks on Lord Ram in textbook: ABVP to hold protests in DU
> > colleges>> >  **
> > >> > *Posted online: Monday , March 03, 2008 at 10:31:30
> > >> > * **
> > >> > *New Delhi, March 2* The ABVP is planning to hold protests
> > across Delhi
> > >> > University colleges against the inclusion of "atrocious"
> > remarks on
> > >> > Lord
> > >> > Ram
> > >> > in its history text books, activists said.'
> > >> >
> > >> > Twenty-four hours after being released from Tihar Jail, state
> > joint>> > secretary of ABVP Vikas Dahiya—who was arrested on
> > Tuesday for violent
> > >> > protests in the university on the issue—said he wants the
> > police to
> > >> > take
> > >> > action against the DU V-C Deepak Pental.
> > >> >
> > >> > He also demanded for action against head of the department
> > (History) S
> > >> > Z
> > >> H
> > >> > Jafri and Upinder Singh, daughter of Prime Minster Manmohan
> > Singh,
> > >> > whose
> > >> > name is printed on the book as the compiler.
> > >> >
> > >> > "We are planning to lodge an FIR against them for hurting the
> > religious>> > sentiments of Hindus," Dahiya said at a press
> > conference held at North
> > >> > Campus today.
> > >> >
> > >> > From Monday, Vikas said, ABVP activists would visit at 
> least two
> > >> colleges
> > >> > each day to seek support from principals and students for a
> > >> > college-wise
> > >> > demonstration.
> > >> >
> > >> > Vikas alleged the Delhi Police and DU authorities were biased
> > and said
> > >> > that
> > >> > though arrest warrants were issued against eight persons,
> > there were
> > >> only
> > >> > five people in the building during the violence.
> > >> >
> > >> > "When Amrita Bahri and Devraj Tehlan of the NSUI ran amok in
> > the
> > >> > History
> > >> > Department last year, no action was taken against them," he
> > claimed.>> >
> > >> > Payal Mago, reader in DU and vice president of ABVP, said
> > that if
> > >> Upinder
> > >> > Singh had not compiled the material as claimed by History
> > Department,>> > "what
> > >> > took her so long to deny charges".
> > >> >
> > >> > "The book has been in circulation for around one and a half
> > years. She
> > >> > could
> > >> > have corrected the mistake any time," she said.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 3/3/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi, with one billion and more people, let there be that many
> > Ramayanas>> in
> > >> >> their freedom of expression and creativity, but the issue
> > here is does
> > >> >> freedom of expression is only to denigrete others faith. ?
> > Those
> > >> >> places
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> learning which are filled with chamchas and hangers on who
> > deride
> > >> >> hindu
> > >> >> faith should write that many bibles and qurans also, that is
> > >> >> secularism
> > >> >> at
> > >> >> work. !
> > >> >> Regards.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: Prem Chandavarkar <prem.cnt at gmail.com>
> > >> >> Date: Monday, March 3, 2008 9:58 am
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University
> > History>> >> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > >> >> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > On 03/03/2008, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > wrote:>> >> > >
> > >> >> > > We were well know that originally there are only two
> > Ramayan's>> >> > that we
> > >> >> > > recognise; one by Tulsidas and another by Valmiki. There
> > maybe a
> > >> few
> > >> >> > > hundred
> > >> >> > > more stories based on poetry from various places etc.
> > But, lets
> > >> >> > for a
> > >> >> > > change
> > >> >> > > concentrate on the original source while studying
> > history in an
> > >> >> > > institution
> > >> >> > > rather then secondary and modern opinions, translations
> > etc etc.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > To me, such a statement is the heart of the problem, and
> > is the
> > >> >> > reason why
> > >> >> > this discussion thread started in the first place.  It 
> implies> >> >> > that there is
> > >> >> > a primary authoritative history which must be regarded,
> > and many
> > >> >> > secondaryhistories which can be immediately dismissed as
> > inferior>> >> > and ignorable.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Such a classification should also be accompanied by an
> > ethical and
> > >> >> > intellectual justification of the basis on which it is
> > made.  It
> > >> >> > cannot be
> > >> >> > merely stated that this must be so because it is a
> > majority belief
> > >> >> > or a
> > >> >> > historical imperative that has endured for ages, for that
> > is the
> > >> >> > argumentthat was used to defend colonialism, slavery and
> > apartheid.>> >> >
> > >> >> > Let me link this to an earlier thread on history and
> > archive, and
> > >> >> > put
> > >> >> > forward the following proposition:  The archive is an 
> ethical,> >> >> > rather than
> > >> >> > epistemological, imperative of history as a discipline.
> > History>> >> > cannot be
> > >> >> > ethically validated without the discipline incorporating an
> > >> >> > ongoing discourse on the basis of which something is to be
> > >> >> > categorised as
> > >> >> > archive, or dismissed as non-archive.
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