[Reader-list] Fwd: Sanjay Kak on Ram Guha's Book

Asit asitreds asitredsalute at gmail.com
Sun Mar 9 11:30:28 IST 2008 

no killings can be justified but there is supposed to be a rule of law
in any civilised country extrajudicial killings are illegal and
barbaric one wrong cannot justufy the other kashmir is complex both
india and pakistan are equally guilty and it is equally dangerous to
communalise kashmir issue into hindu muslims and pandits kashmir
belongs to all the kasmiris so in a democratic spirit have the govts
of india and pakistan have ever bothered to find out what are the
democratic aspirations of ordinary kashmiris thay have greedily
divided kashmiris into east and west without consulting the kashmiris
in democracy people are supreme so if india and pakistan are honest
and true to thier democratic pretension let them hold a referndum in
kashmir and respect the will of kashmiri people
asit

On 3/9/08, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now, I wouldn't let you change the topic so easy. Not all encounters are
> fake; remember that. A major role has been played by Hurriyat, JKLF etc to e
> xaggerate about many killings; so that there is no harm to their bread and
> butter. With media and humar rights groups always glued to Kashmir; this is
> an opportunity to exploit to their best.
>
> Would by this statement you made; you justify Killings of thousands of
> Kashmiri Pandits ?
>
> Would you justify destruction of 600 odd temples (if not more) of the valley
> ?
>
> Do you support those mindless terrorists who led the terrorism in the
> Kashmir vally in 1990; which let to the exodus of half a million souls ?
>
> Your bold beauty Sanjay Kak; remains blind and deaf to these blunt truths;
> which unfortunately have been suffered by his own community. Not that I
> still believe that he is a Kashmiri Pandit. Kak has been silent on his own
> communities sufferings; but it pains him more when we speak about his hero
> Yasin Malik.
>
> Now, even a blind would guess the reality behind Kak.
>
> Many months back I had written a very small piece about Kak and his master
> sahab. Just a few days after I posted it on my blog; my blog was hacked. I
> don't want to accuse anybody.. let everyone judge by their ownselves. Let
> each individuals conscience speak,,,
>
> The URL to that piece on my blog is -
> http://kauladityaraj.blogspot.com/2007/08/sanjay-kak-and-his-dreams-of-aazadi.html
>
> God Bless !
>
> Aditya Raj Kaul
>
>
> On 3/8/08, Asit asitreds <asitredsalute at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > what is a crap movie is ramand sagars calender art justifying
> > irrationalism obscurantism ,fusing mythology with history a great
> > movie
> >
> > On 3/8/08, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Asit...
> > >
> > > Pawan Durani atleast didn't write a biased review or a biased film which
> > was
> > > exposed later by common Kashmiri's. So, I suggest you keep Sanjay Kak's
> > bold
> > > image away from Reader's List. He is still to answer a lot of questions
> > from
> > > common people.
> > >
> > > Your bold hero Sanjay Kak did a screening of his film something Aazadi
> > at my
> > > Ramjas College in New Delhi with some of his close friends helping him
> > out
> > > there. The college was left without any notice; and it was ensured till
> > the
> > > last minute that I don't come to know about it. I wish Kak and his
> > friends
> > > some fearless freedom from us. Though as always not many were interested
> > in
> > > his crap movie.
> > >
> > > With Warm Regards,
> > > Aditya Raj Kaul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/8/08, Asit asitreds <asitredsalute at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > dear friends
> > > > there has to be some grace and decency in public debates name calling
> > > > is juvenile and obscene as if all the  redears list debaters are nobel
> > > > prize winners stooping down to the personal under the belt  and
> > > > disgraceful attack on sanjay kak i ask who is pawan durani
> > > > any one conscious on social issues knows that sanjay kak is a bold
> > > > film maker who exposed indian states genocide in kashmir
> > > > asitOn 3/6/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Dear Partha ,
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me just ask "Who is Sanjay Kak ?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Being honest months before the release of some fiction movie called
> > > > :Jashn -
> > > > > Kashmir " or something like that , i had a querry from a well known
> > > > lobyist
> > > > > enquirying about Mr Kak. I pleaded my ignorance.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I still dont want to know him , for he has tried to do the
> > largest
> > > > > damage to a victimised community called Kashmiri Hindus.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having said that , i still would like to challenge his knowledge on
> > > > Kashmir
> > > > > , and would like to have a public , academic and intellectual debate
> > > > with
> > > > > him. He may bring in his guests like Yasin Malik to support him.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last time he met Rashneek at Green Park , he just pleaded ignorance
> > > > about
> > > > > History.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Pawan Durani
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/6/08, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Dhatri,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a) As far as Kashmir is concerned, neither Sanjay Kak nor Aditya
> > nor
> > > > > > Pawan
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > loving there. That's precisely why Aditya & Pawan are talking
> > about
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > dispossesed and the pain of not living there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > b) Sanjay Kak depicted his point of view as an artist / film
> > maker. If
> > > > > > anyone disagrees
> > > > > > they are welcome to make their viewpoint heard. He has merely
> > depicted
> > > > > > one part
> > > > > > or view of a status as he sees it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > c) Neither of the above points have anything to do with the
> > current
> > > > > > debate.
> > > > > > If you feel
> > > > > > that there is a lack of veracity in the current debate that is on,
> > > > > > please respond to
> > > > > > specific portions with your own references.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > ..................................
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:04 PM, we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The logic is pretty simple and reachable. Sanjay kak produce
> > false
> > > > > > > facts these people including Sanjay kak knew that they are
> > > > > > false. Sanjay
> > > > > > > kak is not a living being of Jammu and Kashmir like Pawan and
> > > > > > Aditya,.....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>* wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Aditya,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's a bit like asking who's Pawan or Aditya or, for that
> > matter,
> > > > > > > Partha.
> > > > > > > None of us on this list know each other yet we still have the
> > > > > > intellectual
> > > > > > > honesty to look clearly at a point of view and debate it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who Sanjay Kak is does not matter. What matters is his point of
> > > > view,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you disagree with it, why?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > > .................
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good One Pawan. :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why is an "Intellectual Forum" namely Sarai geting into a
> > > > discussion
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > review written by just another person ? Pawan asks rightly,
> > Who is
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > Sanjay Kak ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > Aditya Raj Kaul
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 3/5/08, Pawan Durani wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joke of the day : Kak's review comes like a breath of
> > > > honest,fresh
> > > > > > > air.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sanjay Kak and being Honest ........I saw snow on Mumbai
> > streets
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 3/5/08, Namrata Kakkar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear everybody,
> > > > > > > > > > Having read Sanjay Sub's wrong but
> > > > > > > > > > back patting, ridiculous review on the SARAI list, I
> > > > > > > > > > was just wondering how could readers at Sarai list
> > > > > > > > > > tolerate such nonsensical bribery, blind eye
> > > > > > > > > > stupidity. Kak's review comes like a breath of honest,
> > > > > > > > > > fresh air. But couldn't Sanjay Sub. himself raise
> > > > > > > > > > these questions? Infact anybody a bit literate enough
> > > > > > > > > > would tear this book into shreds; but Sanajy could not
> > > > > > > > > > do so since Ram Guha is now a new promoter in the
> > > > > > > > > > Indian circles--mustering and manipulating crores of
> > > > > > > > > > rupees through his (i.e, Indian) Arts Foundation. Ram
> > > > > > > > > > guha is a man with book length muscles now.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So even if he continues writing this bull
> > > > > > > > > > shit, he will be a Sanjay's public historian ( like
> > > > > > > > > > men love public woman ( sorry). One wonders if he too
> > > > > > > > > > is aspiring a 50,000 rupees felllowship from Ram Guha.
> > > > > > > > > > He may...
> > > > > > > > > > But anyway, thank you SARAI.
> > > > > > > > > > Namrata
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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