[Reader-list] Ghalib and the damn Muslim problem

[Raheema Begum]

I agree.Hain duniya bazeecha-e atfaal mere bhi aage.
par kya karein us kaam ka jo hai pada mere aage?

Raheema.

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Raheema Begum <theunderscoredhood at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree.Hain duniya bazeecha-e atfaal mere bhi aage.
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Very appropriate.
> >
> > And he must be repeating constantly from his grave
> >
> > "Hota hai shab-o-roz tamasha mere aage."
> >
> > Only if he had not offended some regressive Islamists with his
> > unorthodox
> > and perhaps unislamic deeds ...
> > "Tujhe ham vali samajhte jo na badakhwar hota."
> >
> > (we would consider you a religious preacher if you were not a drinker)
> > Apologies if the translation is not accurate. It's not my forte anyway.
> > Regards
> > TaraPrakash
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bain Al Satoor" <bainulsatoor at googlemail.com>
> > To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 5:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Ghalib and the damn Muslim problem
> >
> >
> > > Huye mar ke ham jo ruswa, huye kyun na ghark-e-dariya
> > > Na kabhi janaaza uthta, na kahin mazaar hota
> > >
> > > Ghalib.
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:19 AM, ambarien qadar <ambarien at yahoo.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi
> > >>
> > >> I'm not very sure if we can read what Hali wrote nearly a century
> > back,
> > >> with the same interpretative lenses today.
> > >> To me, Hali's piece on Ghalib (quoted in Mahmood's mail) already
> > reads as
> > >> a ceratin kind of break from the mores of traditional, ritualistic,
> > >> wahabi
> > >> Islamic practices that he so brilliantly represented.
> > >> This rupture is particularly relevant in our times for it reaffirms a
> > >> poetic possibility of dissent.
> > >> Moreover, it is Hali's version of how he 'saw' Ghalib. I'm not sure
> > if we
> > >> can comment on it in essentialist ways. At best, it can provide
> > possible
> > >> insights into the myriad ways the Poet and his times have been
> > written
> > >> and
> > >> understood.
> > >> The choice actually lies with us- to understand Ghalib through his
> > grief
> > >> at the plight of the larger muslim community (according to Hali) or
> > >> through
> > >> our knowledge of his stunningly syncretic oeuvre...and think about
> > our
> > >> 'pareshani' or ways of countering it..poetic or otherwise.
> > >>
> > >> (No offences meant!)
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Ambarien
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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