[Reader-list] Ghalib and the damn Muslim problem

[TaraPrakash]

Can't say which "kaam" but Ghalib would say be different be unusual while doing it.
  "Raghon mein daudte firne ke ham naheen kayal, jab aankh hi se na tapka to fir lahoo kya hai"

  If it seems beyond your usual physical powers, use will power "Jo haath mein jumbish naheen, aankhon mein to dam hai...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Raheema Begum 
  To: TaraPrakash ; reader-list at sarai.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Ghalib and the damn Muslim problem


  I agree.Hain duniya bazeecha-e atfaal mere bhi aage.
  par kya karein us kaam ka jo hai pada mere aage?

  Raheema.


  On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Raheema Begum <theunderscoredhood at gmail.com> wrote:

    I agree.Hain duniya bazeecha-e atfaal mere bhi aage.



    On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:

      Very appropriate.

      And he must be repeating constantly from his grave

      "Hota hai shab-o-roz tamasha mere aage."

      Only if he had not offended some regressive Islamists with his unorthodox
      and perhaps unislamic deeds ...
      "Tujhe ham vali samajhte jo na badakhwar hota."

      (we would consider you a religious preacher if you were not a drinker)
      Apologies if the translation is not accurate. It's not my forte anyway.
      Regards
      TaraPrakash

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Bain Al Satoor" <bainulsatoor at googlemail.com>
      To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
      Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 5:47 PM
      Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Ghalib and the damn Muslim problem


      > Huye mar ke ham jo ruswa, huye kyun na ghark-e-dariya
      > Na kabhi janaaza uthta, na kahin mazaar hota
      >
      > Ghalib.
      >
      > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:19 AM, ambarien qadar <ambarien at yahoo.co.uk>
      > wrote:
      >
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Hi
      >>
      >> I'm not very sure if we can read what Hali wrote nearly a century back,
      >> with the same interpretative lenses today.
      >> To me, Hali's piece on Ghalib (quoted in Mahmood's mail) already reads as
      >> a ceratin kind of break from the mores of traditional, ritualistic,
      >> wahabi
      >> Islamic practices that he so brilliantly represented.
      >> This rupture is particularly relevant in our times for it reaffirms a
      >> poetic possibility of dissent.
      >> Moreover, it is Hali's version of how he 'saw' Ghalib. I'm not sure if we
      >> can comment on it in essentialist ways. At best, it can provide possible
      >> insights into the myriad ways the Poet and his times have been written
      >> and
      >> understood.
      >> The choice actually lies with us- to understand Ghalib through his grief
      >> at the plight of the larger muslim community (according to Hali) or
      >> through
      >> our knowledge of his stunningly syncretic oeuvre...and think about our
      >> 'pareshani' or ways of countering it..poetic or otherwise.
      >>
      >> (No offences meant!)
      >> Cheers
      >> Ambarien
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
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