[Reader-list] Kashmiri Pandits demand ‘internally displaced persons’ status

[Pawan Durani]

Hi Aman,

At least we are not puppets of Chinese ideology. You know what I mean.

Pawan


On 11/3/08, Aman Sethi <aman.am at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I;m just interested in learning about when your script runs out ... is
> RIK like a call centre that has a set of broad answers that are useful
> for answers any and all questions? or is it like a dynamic system that
> churns out the same answers in different formats?
> are you all one person with different aliases?
>
> and as for the UN; why would u appeal to the UN?  arent you guys all
> about the glory of the indian state? or there is no group of guys? you
> just happen to be a group of autonomously annoying people who decided
> to show up on this list and systematically throttle any conversation
> that didnt correspond to the script you had been fed in your
> initiation sessions?
>
> It saddens me to see puppets strung about in this manner .. remember
> that the hands that tug the strings are prone to sudden changes of
> heart ...
>
> a.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > well said
> >
> > On 11/2/08, we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Aarti,
> >>
> >> Needless to say your comments are just ridiculous.  At the time of
> PAKISTAN
> >> creation under 2 nation theory It was under legal accession of
> >> INDIA(BRITISH).  It was the INDIA(on its own) gave life to PAKISTAN  2nd
> >> time after 1971 war.  You should awake from your unconcious, absentive
> >>  state of mind.  Hence you start demaning for POK and rest of the
> occupied
> >> terrotories return.  Probably at some day it may possible as it was not
> >> possible before.
> >>
> >> Dhatri.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmiri Pandits demand 'internally displaced
> >> persons' status
> >> To: dhatr1i at yahoo.com
> >> Cc: aman.am at gmail.com, reader-list at sarai.net
> >> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:37 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> As usual Dhatri you miss the point. The territorial return makes sense
> when
> >> there was a legal accession in the first place. Since this never
> occurred,
> >> because the plebiscite India committed itself to never happened, you
> would
> >> need to re-think your position.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> If INDIA possess other provinces like PAKISTAN any body should quote the
> >> word plebiscite.  Instead the reverse is true for INDIA as POK and like
> >> boarder areas in occupation from PAKISTAN AND CHINA, you and everybody
> >> including UN should insist for the territorial return.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Aman Sethi <aman.am at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Aman Sethi <aman.am at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmiri Pandits demand 'internally displaced
> >> persons' status
> >> To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 3:42 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should insist that India carry out the UN mandated
> >> plebiscite as well.
> >> a.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Kashmiri Pandits demand 'internally displaced persons' status By
> >> Indo-Asian
> >>> News Service
> >> <http://www.freshnews.in/author/indo-asian-news-service/> on
> >>> Friday, October 31, 2008
> >>>
> >>>  Kashmiri Pandits held a silent sit in protest outside the United
> Nations
> >>> High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) office here Friday, demanding
> that
> >>> the community, which fled the Kashmir
> >>> Valley<http://www.freshnews.in/tag/kashmir-valley>during the peak of
> >>> militancy 20 years ago, be declared as internally
> >>> displaced persons (IDPs).
> >>>
> >>> The community represented by Kashmiri youth organisations in the
> capital
> >>> like Roots in Kashmir, Internally Displaced Youth Front, All India
> Kashmir
> >>> Samaj, Panun Kashmir and others, along with elderly members of the
> >> community
> >>> in Delhi, presented a five-page memorandum of their demands to Nayona
> Bose
> >>> of the UNHCR to be forwarded to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, who
> is
> >> on
> >>> a two-day visit to India.
> >>>
> >>> "We welcome the UN secretary on his visit to India. As a community
> >> we,
> >>> therefore, appeal to him to help us - declare the Kashmiri Hindu
> community
> >>> as IDPs," Lalit Ambardar, 35, a qualified engineer who was one of the
> >>> 100-odd protestors, told IANS.
> >>>
> >>> "The Human Rights Working Group on Minorities in Geneva had
> >> recognised
> >>> Kashmiri Hindus formally as a 'reverse minority'. So the use of
> >> the
> >>> insulting term of 'migrants' for us - a forcibly exiled community
> >> - should
> >>> be removed from all records and communications relating to us
> >> henceforth,"
> >>> Ambardar chorused the protestor's demand.
> >>>
> >>> Many others protestors were angry about the state to which Kashmiri
> Hindus
> >>> have been reduced since insurgency in the Kashmir Valley in 1989-90,
> when
> >>> more that 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits fled their homes to escape
> >>> persecution...
> >>>
> >>> "Historically, Kashmiri Pandits were known to be intellectuals, but
> >> now we
> >>> are rotting away - we are a national waste - we have no political
> >>> representation, have no geographic ethnicity that we can claim as our
> >> own!"
> >>> fumed Raj Raina, 37.
> >>>
> >>> Raina was unable to get a government job owing to his 'migrant'
> >> status. He
> >>> is now self-employed and runs a small printing press.
> >>>
> >>> "When I was forced to leave my home in the Valley,
> >>> militants<http://www.freshnews.in/tag/militants>threatened us time
> >> and
> >>> again - merge with us (with political and religious
> >>> views), perish or vanish," Raina recapitulated memories of the
> >> insurgency.
> >>>
> >>> Amongst those present from the community were varsity
> >>> students<http://www.freshnews.in/tag/students>,
> >>> who also held that the current situation was sordid.
> >>>
> >>> "Calling us migrants implies that we had a choice in the matter, when
> >> we
> >>> were actually forced to flee," said Aditya Raj Kaul, a 22-year-old
> >> student
> >>> activist from Delhi University.
> >>>
> >>> "We have demanded in the memorandum that the UN direct the Indian
> >> government
> >>> to ensure adequate protection to the residual Kashmiri Hindu population
> >>> living in the Valley. Also that Kashmiri Hindus be restored political
> and
> >>> economic rights, giving them equal status rather than second-class
> >>> citizenship in their native land," Kaul informed.
> >>>
> >>> Link -
> >>>
> >>
> http://www.freshnews.in/kashmiri-pandits-demand-internally-displaced-persons-status-93431
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