[Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 64, Issue 85, Musings on a Sunday afternoon.
rajendra bhat
raja_starkglass at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 9 16:32:45 IST 2008
Dear all,
this is simple musings of a moron, with no claim to be an intellectual but musings they are of a society with lots of intellect, which refuses to use the common sense. The readers list should become a battle ground to denigrade the individuals for the thoughts is indeed sad, as I have no use for wonderful wordplay, I have no political wishlists, no political favourites, I like the best of the left policies where they help the nation and its poor, but I do not hesitate to stay away from the high riding politburo members who live like parasytes on subscriptions of the poor workers and members. I like the nation and unity in nation to be stronger society, but I do not hesitate to stay away when any faith is imposed on me, I am proud to be hindu, but that does not prevent me from reading Holy Quran or Bible to understand, atleast make an attempt to understand what is good in these holy books.
Be that may, it is rather sad to note that instead of exchange of thoughts what is happening on the list at present is simple bashing of hindu sentiments may be because the hindu is tolerent and the society does not like the tolerent.? Islamic thoughts are expressed in various holy scriptures, we have seen how the clergy can re-interpret these holy thoughts to make life miserable for all in society. On this Sunday, it is real pleasure to read that the very same clergies are pronouncing that terror is not approved and is condemned in holy books.
Prakash has always inspired me with his thoughts, he may like the left ideology, but that appreciation of mine for his honest thoughts does not make me a communist, nor do I become a member of RSS if Iike what is good in that organisation, - the self discipline., and sense of belonging to the society.Shuddha with his superb hold on vocabulary questions the very effect of faith, but only for hindu faith, that is worry some, why do others faith and their followers do not have any blemishes, is it true.?
Javed asked me about the doubts, about the evidence and all that i can say is within the legal permissible limits, the search reports have listed the items seized from the lecturer Geelani, some of the voluminous seized items are not presented before the trial court. At high court, there were objections from defence when prosecution wanted to present some of the detailed evidence, and prosecutor had to remark that all the eggs are not in one basket, meaning they would be used later, but the presence of illustrious super advocates has some magical effect on judiciary as seen in many cases, where some expose" has recently shown the effect of such interference in proceedings by high profile advocates. NDTV brought out the ill effects of big money and muscle power in play in judicial proceedings.
The CBI, a premier investigation agency is now fading in glory of inefficiency after the famous investigation of bofors scam. That the investigators did not even spend more than ten minutes with prosecutor of Sweden for the details, but spent ages for letterogatories is well known truth and fact. here the issue to be noted is the investigative journalism of that brave lady, Ms. Chitra Subramanyam, all that CBI has had to do was collect the evidence from one source, but JPC and the delay tactics by the lawyers with special leave petitions in high courts of Delhi with single judges extending stays, injunctions and getting rewarded for the efforts to delay the proceedings thus confirming the dictum,justice delayed is justice denied is hall mark of democratic judiciary in India.? The falling standards of judiciary is now well recorded, earlier none dared to talk in open about it with contempt proceeding anging on their heads, but after the high court
judges of one state caught with lady advocates in a resort, the citizens and media seem to understand that the judges are also human with all human fault lines, nothing secret about their weaknesses. A chief justice who misused the funds could not even be impeached because the democratic parties stayed away from voting against such misdemeanour.?
That freezed amount could be released by the solicitor general of free India by midnight flight to London, without knowledge of Supreme court or CBI is flabberghastingly simple as beneficiary happens to be uncle Q and poor Ardbo, who undelinedbelow the letter Q is no more to talk, as dead do not talk..?
Lalu and his gotalas , maya and her scams, Mulayam and his assets, Advani and babri masjid cases all in CBI courts have just been there with nothing to talk of progress in these cases.To add to the list, now the officials of CBI love the TV cameras so much that each day new master minds come out, each day some new nitari killings are covered up, each day some more poor servant of the rich is framd in trial case to languish in custody.
That apart, about the parliament attack, during NDa rule and later with UPA rule, all leaders of kashmir of all political hues id not want hard decisions as "Kashmir would burn" and then we talk now of terrorism of faiths? Do we have set of existing laws which can nip in the bud any act of deviant behaviour or is it that we as society are so divided that we have ready theories to justify violence with left, right and faith as excuses for the violence.? Surprisingly, even the intellectual individuals also fall in this trap of justification of violence. shuddha with his word play has some lovely long posts but never a word about the deviant behaviour of the individual, inder and aarti are so secular that all the violence of youth congress and shouting brigades is just admiration for the great sacrifices of the leader.? Sadvi arrested is not innocent but moulvi arrested is innocent till proved guilty.?
That every autonomous institution is falling apart in the rule of governance is obivious and we justify it according to our faith, region, language and caste and faith.? At this rate do we have to get justice by the mob or is there any hope for the individuals that courts will be temples of justice.? Judges who are named in scams have no basic minimal courtesy even to resign from the post they are holding. Unlike the constituion bench of 1977 where One Justice khanna upheld the spirit of the constitution and rule of laws, as ten other judges fudged with justice, is these a single judge today wo can be true to his oath of office.?
With the type of advocates who have only got to do at the court is to create doubt, beyond reasonable doubt, so that the accused can get reprive.? Is there any thing as rights when the citizens need not have any duties as duties are not enforceable and so one need not be duty conscious, only right conscious to subvert all the rights of otther individuals so that he is the winner.?Will such a society be civic and citizens will be civilised as they do not recognise the right of others as it is not their duty.?
In an article Ali Enginneer blames BJP of putting their men in all the oganisations when in power, RSS men and women in positions of media, schools and colleges, as if this was not the case when Congress and left ruled the nation.?
A trip around JNU shows the character and hold of left parties on the campus of this JNU. What is wrong in the left or RSS if qualified person is in post.? Why this ostracisation of some because they are having their iealogy different from some.?And about argument of fascism, is it only applicable to BJP and RSS or is it not evident in the proceedings of politburo, high command of one man/woman parties.?Can any one dare to dissent in Congress or left or BSP and remain in party.? Somnathda, Natwar singh provide us the answer.!
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:02:51 +0530
From: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] DU allows ‘seminar’ blasting Govt;
Geelani is star speaker
To: "Shivam V" <lists at shivamvij.com>
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shivam,
there are journalists who are being paid by separatists in kashmir to
write for azaadi cause ,also kashmir is a distribution ground for fake
currency.
I was wondering whether these paid up writers get fake currency in compensation.
do u as a knowledgeable writer with interest in kashmir shed Some light.
I am not saying u may be one of them,but ur knowledge on the subject
may be interesting.
Pawan
jai andhra jai hindusthan
On 11/8/08, Shivam V <lists at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> You can see this epaper report of the incident in the Hindustan Times:
> http://tamasha.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/spitting-at-geelani.pdf
>
> It has pictures of the spitting incident.
>
> It is clear that the ABVP members were out to deny SAR Geelani his
> right to freedom of expression, which is guaranteed by the
> Constitution. Geelani is not in jail, not on remand custody, not
> convicted, and not asked by a court of law or a magistrate not to
> speak in public (as is the case with Raj Thackeray from time to time).
>
> There has also been some spitting on this list. Aditya Raj Kaul, Pawan
> Durani and others who defend this act, should by extension be denied
> their right to free speech on this list. They should be removed by the
> list administrator.
>
> best
> shivam
>
> o o o
>
>
> November 4, 2006
> HT Correspondent
> New Delhi, November 07, 2008
> First Published: 00:57 IST(7/11/2008)
> Last Updated: 00:59 IST(7/11/2008)
>
> Ugly scenes mar DU seminar
>
> A group of activists belonging to the Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi
> Parishad (ABVP) on Wednesday went on the rampage at Delhi University.
> The group vandalised the venue of a seminar in protest against the
> presence of SAR Geelani, acquitted in the Parliament attack case and
> at present, lecturer in Zakir Hussain College.
>
> Amid the chaos, one activist spat on Geelani. The mob, headed by Delhi
> University Students Union president and ABVP member Nupur Sharma
> damaged property and hurled abuse on Geelani at the seminar on
> 'Communalism, Fascism and Democracy, Rhetoric and Reality', disrupting
> the programme briefly.
>
> The incident took place at the Arts Faculty in Delhi University's
> North Campus. ABVP activists went on damaging the windows, doors,
> chairs and the microphone to disrupt the meeting.
>
> "We will not let a terror suspect give a talk on Hindu terrorism in
> the University. Geelani was acquitted on technical grounds. He even
> approached the Supreme Court to clear his name but the court refused,"
> said Sharma.
>
> The violence only stopped after police came in large numbers and
> detained the activists.
>
> The University Community –– an independent group of students and
> teachers of DU, which had organised the seminar, condemned the
> violence.
>
> "The violence happened in police presence and DU authorities too sided
> with the ABVP goons. The University should lodge an FIR against the
> guilty and action should be taken imediately," said Harsh Bora,
> student at PGDAV College and member of the Community.
>
> To lodge their protest the Community members would hold march at Arts
> Faculty on Thursday, said Bora.
>
> In response, ABVP issued a statement saying the country was witnessing
> a difficult phase as terrorism and anti-social activities were
> increasing. "At this stage, inviting a person like Geelani shows sick
> mentality of the organisers. Are we going to invite Afzal Guru to
> Delhi University in future if he is released from jail?" the statement
> said.
>
> Geelani meanwhile asked students to fight for democratic values and
> debunk efforts by forces to target certain individuals and terrorise a
> community. "This is a trailer of fascism. The fact that we held the
> meeting shows that we succeeded to beat the fascist forces," Geelani
> said.
>
> DU authorities said action would be taken against the errant students.
> "Law will take its own course against whoever has done this," said
> Gurmeet Singh, Proctor, DU.
>
> Earlier this year, ABVP activists had been arrested after they
> vandalised the office of the History Department head S. Z. H. Jafri
> protesting against certain "objectionable" portions in the B.A.
> History (Honours) syllabus.
>
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=bf371038-438b-42f5-bd25-d14504de1764
>
> (c) Copyright 2007 Hindustan Times
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Appu Esthose Suresh <appu.es at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Wha! Sabhash! I never had seen people betraying their sub conscious, every
>> bit of it. I must congratulate the brand idea of quoting The Pioneer
>> report, what an Idea Serjee!! I doubt the "venom that spewed"
>> ("interactive
>> session" where venom was spewed on the
>>
>> Government's counter-terrorism- Pioneer 7th Nov) went into the eyes of
>> reporter that might have made him myopic; of course Mr. Geelani knew he is
>> from Pioneer! No wonder there is any praises on the highly dignified
>> manner
>> in which a civilized ABVP activist greeted Geelani with his spit. Well,
>> was
>> it a purification attempt? Then, I convey my sympathy to the reporter; he
>> missed the bull's eye by a wide margin. He was witnessing to the
>> sanskritization and didn't even mention a word. Certainly, ABVP must write
>> a
>> strong letter condemning this act to the erstwhile editor. In that case
>> you
>> don't know the address please post it to BJP Headquarters, after all
>> Chandanda is their Rajya Sabha MP.
>>
>>
>>
>> A note to the Gentleman who posted it in the readers list, after taking
>> public interest into consideration. Fire your newspaper boy who didn't
>> deliver you any other paper yesterday; your cable operator who didn't let
>> you watch any news; possible sue Google who screened all the other reports
>> on vandalism in DU.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why should Afzal Guru be hanged? The court said so! Mind you the court did
>> so to satisfy the collective conscious of Indian Community, then for a
>> moment I thought I am a Pakistani. Nevertheless we shall continue—what did
>> court say about SAR Geelani? — He is innocent— who cares— who asked the
>> court to say so? WE THE LAST INDIANS (Read members of the "nationalist
>> organization") think rather insist, a person once accused for Terrorism
>> will
>> remain a terrorist. Oops! What am I saying? How can that be true about a
>> sadhvi? What about the brave soldiers who killed terrorist (Pardon me, I
>> got
>> to spit out, actually terrorists?) who have now confused about their
>> involvement in Malegaon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me ask the evergreen experts on almost everything under sky from
>> medicine (until they pointed out that even if a policemen is shot at by a
>> terrorist right at the front, injury would only be in the backside ) to
>> security (Breaking News: Blast in Malegaon, in the same breath, Indian
>> Mujahudin involved). *Doctors,* am I mistaken when I say Bajrang Dal is
>> involved in terrorist activity? *Doctors,* what should I say when a
>> Kashmiri
>> ask, we been telling, army has fundamentalist who commit Human right abuse
>> and bring bad name to that institution, now what? *Doctors, *Is that okay
>> if
>> I call an Indian, that too from 'the integral part of the country' a
>> terrorist when is been acquitted?
>>
>>
>> (*To be continued…………*)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:28 AM, chanchal malviya <
>> chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All in the world has right to speak and speak alound against Hindus..
>>> But Hindus..
>>> If they speak, it is surely communal and if Saadhvi speaks she is a
>>> terrorist...
>>>
>>> Everyone knows that Geelani is one of the accused in Parliament attack
>>> and
>>> he was to speak against Hindus.. But he has freedom as a teacher and
>>> greater
>>> freedom because he is about to speak anti-Hindu....
>>>
>>> Karunanidhi have stressed that Hindus will not be allowed to put 'Tika'
>>> on
>>> their forehead...
>>>
>>> Wait my dear friends.. very soon, you will not be allowed to call
>>> yourself
>>> Hindus... That is the only end of Secularism..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
>>> To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 8:14:06 AM
>>> Subject: [Reader-list] DU allows 'seminar' blasting Govt; Geelani is star
>>> speaker
>>>
>>> *DU allows 'seminar' blasting Govt; Geelani is star speaker
>>>
>>> **Staff Reporter | New Delhi
>>>
>>> The Daily Pioneer
>>>
>>> Link -
>>>
>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com/132900/DU-allows-%E2%80%98seminar%E2%80%99-blasting-Govt;-Geelani-is-star-speaker.html
>>> *
>>> *Parliament attack accused incites youth to end 'fascism' in India, take
>>> on
>>> ABVP 'goons'*
>>>
>>> Under heavy police bandobast, the Delhi University (DU) on Thursday
>>> facilitated an "interactive session" where venom was spewed on the
>>> Government's counter-terrorism initiatives and a known anti-national —
>>> SAR
>>> Geelani, accused in the Parliament attack case — was hero-worshipped.
>>>
>>> Addressing a gathering of about 50 students and teachers at the Arts
>>> Faculty
>>> seminar hall, Geelani said the Batla House encounter was stage-managed by
>>> Delhi Police. He said that different parameters were being applied in the
>>> handling of Islamic terrorism and the so-called Hindu terrorism. Geelani
>>> was
>>> speaking on 'Communalism, Fascism and Democracy — Rhetoric and Reality',
>>> organised by a barely-known campus group called University Community.
>>>
>>> "There is no democracy in India. The Government, in the name of national
>>> security and war against terrorism, is targeting select people and
>>> letting
>>> others go scotfree. There is a huge difference in the way the Government
>>> deals with the so-called Islamic terrorism and those spread by Hindu
>>> extremists. *Aur zyaada janne ke liye aap baad mein miliye* (Meet me
>>> later
>>> for further explanations)," said Geelani, who was an accused in the 2003
>>> Parliament attack case and was later comforted by the Supreme Court. He
>>> said
>>> that fascism and prejudice had crept into the four pillars of democracy
>>> in
>>> India. "Even the Chief Justice of India has been accused of corruption,"
>>> he
>>> said.
>>>
>>> About 50 persons, including some teachers from different departments of
>>> DU,
>>> participated in the talk. Amid slogans like "Civil Liberties Long Live"
>>> and
>>> "Hindu goons wapas jao", the speakers -- including two working
>>> journalists
>>> and a professor from the Department of Sociology, Jamia Millia Islamia,
>>> Nehsat Quaiser -- professed the cases of banned Muslim group, the
>>> Students'
>>> Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), and the likes of Afzal Guru.
>>>
>>> Talking about the Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP) activists
>>> opposing the branding of Hindu groups as terrorists, Geelani said,
>>> "Inquilab
>>> comes from the youth. You should not fear these goons and end this
>>> fascism."
>>>
>>> Another speaker said the Malegaon blasts accused, Pragya Singh Thakur,
>>> was
>>> not a sadhvi but the face of Sangh terror. University sources said a
>>> teacher
>>> from the Department of English had booked the hall for organising 'a
>>> talk'.
>>> University officials said they were not informed of the topic and that
>>> Geelani was supposed to deliver a lecture. University Proctor Gurmeet
>>> Singh
>>> even called the organisers repeatedly, asking them to cancel their talk
>>> in
>>> view of the protests incited by Geelani's and others' views. The meeting,
>>> however, went on.
>>>
>>> The ABVP members, on the other hand, demonstrated outside the seminar
>>> room
>>> and shouted slogans, 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' and 'Vande Mataram'. An
>>> activist
>>> even managed to reach the dais and spit on Geelani's face, saying 'shame,
>>> shame'. The ABVP activists then damaged some windows, doors, chairs and
>>> the
>>> microphone to disrupt the meeting. However, the meeting continued despite
>>> the disturbance. Later, police arrested some ABVP activists.
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:32:54 +0600
From: "Naeem Mohaiemen" <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com>
Subject: [Reader-list] Ralph Nader, "White" Boy?
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Uhh, Ralph Nader is Lebanese-American.
>An Open Letter to Ralph Nader About His Dis to Obama
>By Davey D Davey/D's Hip Hop Corner
November 7, 2008
http://hiphopnews.yuku.com/topic/917
>
> And like the white boy at the house party, you were sorely mistaken.
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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:40:25 -0500
From: "Paul D. Miller" <anansi1 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Ralph Nader, "White" Boy?
To: Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com>,reader-list at sarai.net
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Uh, yeah. So was Elvis...
Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com> wrote:
>Uhh, Ralph Nader is Lebanese-American.
>
>>An Open Letter to Ralph Nader About His Dis to Obama
>>By Davey D Davey/D's Hip Hop Corner
>November 7, 2008
>http://hiphopnews.yuku.com/topic/917
>
>>
>> And like the white boy at the house party, you were sorely mistaken.
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:37:17 +0530
From: "prakash ray" <pkray11 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] SIMI activists found with SAR Geelani CDs:
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Dear members of the Indian unit of Ku Klux Klan,
Strangly enough I have many videos listed by one of many Ku Klux Klanists,
including the disturbing film by Sanjay Kak (I was also involved in its
screening in JNU) and some of so-called confessions taken on Gun-point. Mr
Kaul, please tell me where I should go to surrender. You are right that it
is our Police, but many of its deeds make me sad and I feel ashamed whenever
a fake-encounter takes place, whenever false cases are cooked, whenever
Police plays partisan role in riots and carnages, whenever they rape or
molest, whenever they ask for bribes....And then I donot hesitate to point
finger at them. Yes, I am a slave, a slave of my conciousness. Yes, I
surrender, I feel sorry when I am wrong, I ask for forgiveness when I do
wrong.
When you support or take part (both are same thing at moral/political level)
in activities like spitting, blackening faces, killing, raping,
hate-campaign, you (or anyone) have no right to claim to speak against
certain people or actions.
You and other members of Ku Klux Klan must get a dose of your own medicine
and MUST BE EVICTED FROM THE LIST.
This is my country and I cannot allow anything to be done in my name. I
repeat: Not in my name...
Prakash
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:08:20 +0600
From: "Naeem Mohaiemen" <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Ralph Nader, "White" Boy?
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Not sure if you were being tongue-in-cheek regarding Elvis, but Ralph Nader
is definitely Arab-American. During his first run, the press even made
something of the fact that he was the first Arab-American Presidential
candidate (thus making him another minority candidate after Jesse Jackson).
Of course Nader's identity is as a consumer advocate, not as Arab American,
and he himself rarely talks about it, so this never gets much play (nor does
it have to, a man's free to identify as he likes).
I agree that Nader calling Obama "Uncle Tom" is off the mark, and people are
understandably riled by the comments, but Davey D's guest blogger calling
Nader a "white boy" is also an incomplete reading.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Paul D. Miller <anansi1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
> Uh, yeah. So was Elvis...
>
> Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Uhh, Ralph Nader is Lebanese-American.
> >
> >>An Open Letter to Ralph Nader About His Dis to Obama
> >>By Davey D Davey/D's Hip Hop Corner
> >November 7, 2008
> >http://hiphopnews.yuku.com/topic/917
> >
> >>
> >> And like the white boy at the house party, you were sorely mistaken..
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:14:12 +0530
From: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] SIMI activists found with SAR Geelani CDs:
Police
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Dear 'Sanjay Kak's' Propaganda agent 'on pay roles of 'Yasin Malik',
Kindly be a little mature while speaking. I'm not in this list because of
you, nor will I leave so easily just because some other 'Prakash Ray'
doesn't want me there.
In a similar fashion that you have written, even I get sad, shocked, and
agitated with the way:
1. Islamic Terrorists kill people of a certain community, and people like
you remain silent.
2. Propagandist like SFI, AISA and now even some 'University Community'
spread hatred, violence inside a central University, that too the 'Delhi
University, quite openly.
There are 1000 expmples to quote atleast. I won't waste my time on it.
We don't belive in blackning of faces or spitting. Its a response by the
common citizens to a sudden aimed provication.
We have and will protest against all terrorists including Yasin Malik, Bitta
Karate, S.A.R. Geelani, Afzal etc. We won't tolerate self styled
'secularists' and so called 'intellectuals' to project them as leaders and
thinkers and parade them to seminars. It just can't happen. Its a open
mockery of our constitution and the democracy.
Try evicting us from the list. You Poor fellow can't even argue... Argument
less 'Hindu Bashers'. Quite unfortunate.
Continue ith this tirade. Each time you spread hatred, violence,
fundamentalist thought.... a slap awaits you.
Love..
On 11/9/08, prakash ray <pkray11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear members of the Indian unit of Ku Klux Klan,
>
>
> Strangly enough I have many videos listed by one of many Ku Klux Klanists,
> including the disturbing film by Sanjay Kak (I was also involved in its
> screening in JNU) and some of so-called confessions taken on Gun-point. Mr
> Kaul, please tell me where I should go to surrender. You are right that it
> is our Police, but many of its deeds make me sad and I feel ashamed
> whenever
> a fake-encounter takes place, whenever false cases are cooked, whenever
> Police plays partisan role in riots and carnages, whenever they rape or
> molest, whenever they ask for bribes....And then I donot hesitate to point
> finger at them. Yes, I am a slave, a slave of my conciousness. Yes, I
> surrender, I feel sorry when I am wrong, I ask for forgiveness when I do
> wrong.
>
> When you support or take part (both are same thing at moral/political
> level)
> in activities like spitting, blackening faces, killing, raping,
> hate-campaign, you (or anyone) have no right to claim to speak against
> certain people or actions.
>
> You and other members of Ku Klux Klan must get a dose of your own medicine
> and MUST BE EVICTED FROM THE LIST.
>
> This is my country and I cannot allow anything to be done in my name. I
> repeat: Not in my name....
>
>
> Prakash
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