[Reader-list] About Accusations on this List

[Pawan Durani]

Dear Gargi,

Lal Salaam ,

Thank you for the note. Its been a long time since you have written last on
this list. I have some very brief comments

1. Have you read Rashneek's write up on iconoclasm , he wrote it becuase
Shuddha interpretation was wrong.

2. Kshmendra treading a middle path pleases you , howver do you justify that
all those on "other" or may i dare to say on the 'left' side are right.

3. It's not foor the first time Shuddha has tried to get me removed. Infact
in january he tried the same and later apologised.It is on record.

4. I am not in a position to send a well researched mail , for that I would
have to spend a lot of time. Unfortunately , i dont have as much time these
days.And even if one does write , people like Shuddha wont accept . Has he
accepted Rashneek's view till date ? It's difficult to paint white over red.

5. My love for Andhra or Maharshtra has nothing to do with Agression. I
respect and love the state where i earn my bread and butter. And everyone
else should. Not like those Kashmiris who do otherwise.

6. You find my tone masculine , is something i cant help. I have studied in
a school where the Motto is "In all Things be men" . Thatz the oldest school
in Kashmir called Tyandale Biscoe memorial High School. Among other alumni
from the school are Dr Farooq Abdullah and Ashfaq Majid Wani . Farooq you
must be knowing , and Ashfaq Majid was one of the core member of HAJY gang
of JKLF.

7. I thank you for you opposing our removal , though Shuddha tries very hard
to act like  Musharraf to get his will imposed.

8. As long as support for our tormentors is generated on this list , we
would fight back.

9. There is a silent majority , apart from the ones carrying the red flag.
There is a Raja for every Yousaf , Dhatri for every Prakash Ray and Pawan
for every Shuddha.

God Bless

Pawan Durani
Jai Andhra - jai Hindusthan





On 11/11/08, Gargi Sen <sen.gargi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Shuddha, dear all,
> I am a general lurker on this list and the list is an important space for
> me, and I think for many like me, habitual lurkers. Its a space that has
> helped to initiate and carry out many important but difficult dialogues. It
> has produced some very fine erudition. While there are many favourites but
> my personal choice would be Shuddha your annotation to the history of
> iconoclasm in Kashmir and a reading of Kalhana in four parts. Huge but
> riveting.
> And many such fine pieces have been on the list ­ I can name many whose
> writing and deliberations have made me think, pause, reflect, rethink...
>
> But the main strength of this list I dare say  has been its maturity to
> deal
> positions that believe repeating lies and half baked opinions endlessly
> will
> turn desires into truths .
> They are a dreary part of this list but probably have played a part in
> provoking some of the greatest responses. So while I have looked with dread
> at the most common names that appear most often on this list, I have been
> very impressed with the responses to them. The recent exchange between
> Inder
> Salim and Aditya Raj kaul on caste is a case. I wonder if Inder Salim would
> have felt compelled to articulate in this manner and forum if it wasn¹t for
> Aditya? Or would you Shuddha write at such length if it wasn¹t for
> Rashneek?
> I also saw that a sustained dialogue can help people shift positions. I see
> Khemendra Kaul who is at least willing to listen and talk.
> And I believe that such a shift is possible because of the quality of
> dialogue, and a freedom to express, on the Sarai list.
>
> So despite Aditya Raj Kaul¹s viciousness where he has graduated from
> threatening to spit to slap, and his immature but dangerous worldview or
> Pawan Durani¹s aggression and shifting celebration from Maharashtra to
> Andhra, and the utter tedium of their arguments that lack the basic tenets
> of an argument, or their ignorance, or their silly, hostile, masculine,
> grandiose and empty posturing I believe they should be allowed to continue.
> This is as much for freedom of expression as much for the hope that deep
> inside they are just immature and don¹t really mean what they write.
>
> As for the specific charges of being *paid* that they made against you
> Shuddha, I think everyone, at least those who have the energy, should
> continue to ask them for proof :-) Rather than expel them. Otherwise I am
> afraid that it could seem like the Sarai list is *punishing* them for
> errant
> behaviour whereas the allegations they make are far more serious, and have
> far graver implications than such punitive measures can correct.
>
> Gargi Sen
>
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