[Reader-list] Word Jugglery - Mr Sengupta

[Yousuf]

Dear Pawan
I am not writing this mail on behalf of Shuddha (although he wrote his 9th Nov. mail on behalf of many of us).

It is very clear from his mail (titled: "About Accusations on This List") that he is not taking all your accusations upon himself. He is writing on behalf of many readers of the list who collectively get accused of "being paid by foreign powers to write against KPs" and so on. So, your assumption that only Shuddha is behind that mail is wrong. Just yesterday, someone (was is you) said that "there is one Aditya for every Aarti, a Raja for every Yousuf", and so on (even though I don't post anything on this list to incite a confrontation).

I think many people besides Shuddha have demanded that proof from you (to support your general accusations). We are all waiting. But more than that, I am intrigued by the long silence from the moderator of this list on this issue.

Yousuf


--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Word Jugglery - Mr Sengupta
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:48 PM
> In view of the recent allegations By Mr Sengupta against me
> , I am just
> replying in haste. I just wanted to know from Mr Sengupta
> as why he has
> assumed that all my accusations were directed towards him ?
> Can he forward a
> link where i have named him ? If I write without naming
> anyone in particular
> , that statement should not be assumed to be directed
> towards Mr Sengupta.
> However since Mr Sengupta is a master in word jugglery and
> he wished to see
> his ideological opponents out of this group , he attempted
> what he is best
> at .......word jugglery.
> 
> However I must say that even though I have not in any of my
> mails named him
> , but his reaction and assumption that all statements were
> directed to him
> have started to make me think.......Why ?
> 
> Below are few quotes which mr Sengupta has used and my
> comments .I am
> answering only for my accusation....The mail can not be as
> elaborate and
> lengthy as Mr Sengupta writes, i am using only the relevant
> portions.
> 
> 
> 1.Re: [Reader-list] When will Muslims join the mainstream?
> Date: 21 October 2008 6:21:56 PM GMT+05:30
> 
> (from Pawan Durani)
> 
> "...Notwithstanding a well CALCULATED EFFORT BACKED BY
> A FOREIGN COUNTRY ,
> so called intellectuals and so called jornalists who
> created a
> disinformation campaign, such as in Jamia Encounter ,
> Parlaiment case are
> being followed more closely.
> 
> Number of people are supposed to be under close scanner and
> their links
> ascertained. Hoping the truth and the DETAILS PAYOUTS will
> come out soon..."
> 
> MY COMMENTS : My blaming 'intellectuals' and
> 'journalists' DOES NOT mean
> that I am blaming Shuddha . I for once have never
> considered him even close
> to being an intellectual. His intellect does not appeal me
> , even if it does
> exist. If he considers himself as an intellectual , it does
> not necessarily
> mean that I am blaming him , as he may not be the only
> intellectual.
> 
> 
> 2.(from Pawan Durani)
> 
> "...I know I am not a master of mixing words NOR IS
> THIS A FULL TIME JOB FOR
> ME  FOR WHICH I GET PAID FOR..." (sic)
> 
> MY COMMENTS : I do agree that Shuddha is master of words ,
> however even this
> comment also did not *name* anyone. This is a general
> statement . There are
> many writers who write for passion and there are many who
> write for money.
> If anyone would deny that , that would be a surprise to me.
> And as i have
> said "i dont get paid " for writing , as i write
> for passion. passion of my
> cause . I do not know for what Shuddha writes ...Passion or
> Money......thats
> what he must be knowing .
> 
> Again, have I named *him* anywhere ???
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 3. Re: [Reader-list] Thinking Through Figures on Internal
> Displacement
> from Kashmir
> Date: 1 November 2008 2:11:09 PM GMT+05:30
> 
> (from Pawan Durani)
> 
> "...Mind it , we are fighting for ourselves and IT IS
> A UNPAID JOB,UNLIKE
> SOME SURROGATES WHO ACT PROXY for secessionists in Kashmir
> and support their
> cause by trying to create an opinion..."
> 
> MY COMMENTS : I still stand by statement . I do believe
> that SURROGATES
> exist. They may exist just anywhere , including this group.
> After all there
> are more than 1000 members here and whose credentials and
> real identity may
> be not known. I have reasons to doubt . Does Shuddha know
> all the members
> here individually ? I am sure even the group owner does
> not. How do you know
> that I am real Pawan Durani and Kshemendra is someone else
> or for that
> matter Arti is not someone else ?
> 
> Of all the people why does Shuddha think himself as a
> surrogate ? Why didn't
> Mr X react ?
> 
> 
> 4.
> Re: [Reader-list] Thinking Through Figures on Internal
> Displacement from
> Kashmir
> Date: 2 November 2008 12:37:24 PM GMT+05:30
> 
> (from Pawan Durani)
> 
> "We dont need him or his lip service. LET HIM SERVE
> HIS MASTERS and we would
> continue to counter their agenda..."
> 
> MY COMMENT : I am sure with a the ideology Shuddha carry ,
> he must be having
> his GURU , his continuous work towards that ideology is
> nothing but a
> service to his masters or Gurus.
> 
> 
> 5.6.
> 
> Re: [Reader-list] Kashmiri Pandits demand 'internally
> displaced persons'
> status
> Date: 3 November 2008 1:33:03 PM GMT+05:30
> 
> (from Pawan Durani)
> 
> "...At least WE ARE NOT PUPPETS OF CHINESE IDEOLOGY.
> You know what I mean."
> 
> MY COMMENTS : Whats the problem in this statement . Who
> would not agree that
> there is a section in India who have good contacts with
> Chinese Communists ?
> I may even like some part of that ideology , but that
> doesnt make me a
> puppet. If I am a 24 hour dedicated RSS Swayam Sevak , that
> makes me a
> puppet of that ideology.
> I do not care whether Shuddha is or isn't , but his
> reaction is making me
> think .....
> 
> 
> Pawan
> 
> PS :
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