[Reader-list] About the list

inder salim indersalim at gmail.com
Sun Nov 16 22:58:56 IST 2008 

*YUDISHTER AND HIS DOG IN KASHMIR
 ( for Dear Pawan and Aditya of Sarai Reader List )

We have Digital Cameras, so let  us go then, you and I, to see, and
then see the photographs of Martand Ruins in Kashmir.

Let us go then; we will forget that bloody war, that Enlightening Text
which legitimized that, and that Blind King who legitimized that
against that.

Like good friends, we will share: the images, memories of food, air,
sun light, some distant music, and that unrepeatable. We will create
our own 'PotKaal' ( a past ).

There, we will see stones, idly strewn here and there, like unwrapped
sweet-bars for children, who might come anytime to eat them all.  "Ah,
this is heaven", we will keep on reminding each other.

These stones, mixed with a sweet loss of time, and a presence; thin
threads of sun-light holding them back; else that abyss: a
disappearance, first of these stones, then trees and birds, then the
adjacent village and its urge for a '**self rule'.
Nonetheless, we will walk on the gentle soil, grass and little flowers.

Dead cow bone, abandoned cricket ball, a stray bullet shell: I will
smell, and you will click a snap: the Dog without garments.

Triangles chiselled "these stones are keys to Surga ( heaven )",  you will say.

I will think about the lock at the gate of Heaven, in which we will be
already roaming freely.


"These Heavens are boring places to live in" , you will say.
"***Hiranya Kashyaps and Daryodhanas live here",

I will think about Fire on River of Surga ( Heaven ) within an icy
Firdos ( Heaven ).

"Its spectacle hurts the retina of my eye within my compound eye" you will say.

I will think about the escape route.

"Let us go then, you and I, out of Kashmir" you will say.

I will think of our earlier such entries and exits into such Heavens.

"I am Yudishtra, condemned to go to Heaven, but not to live there",
you will say.

I will follow my master,  a faithful ( nude ) dog.

"I am you, you are me " you will say,

I will think about a blended 'you and I', a monster on six legs,
moving with Time…

…………………………………………………………………………….
(* people in Kashmir say, Pandav Lari'  which means ruins of
Mahabharata's Pandavas )

** Swarg ( heaven ) is governed by Lord Indra, but only with the
consent of Holy Trinity- Bhrama Vishnu Mahesh : God.

***Hiranaya kashyp was cruel a king who declared himself God, but was
awarded Heaven awarded after death.






On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Fatima फ़ातिमा
<fatimaschool45 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Inder, in that photo, the hand holding the matchstick looks like a Muslim
> hand. We must denounce it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:37 AM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear  Pawan, dear Aditya
>>
>> i will come back to u,
>>
>> at the moment an image for u and
>>
>> http://pics.livejournal.com/indersalim/pic/000bwpyd
>>
>> there are many layers in the image, but u please worry about what this
>> construct speaks on the surface
>>
>> then talk to me about dividing the sacred Durga image into two.
>>
>> i would love to educate u on how to see the images, but u have no
>> will, yet i am optimistic
>>
>> love
>> is
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > As one of the readers on the list, would be extremely glad if this game
>> > of
>> > tit-for-tat were stopped here, and we move on to things more worthy of
>> > attention. Partha Dasgupta,
>> >
>> > Dear Partha, thanks for this  response,
>> >
>> > Basically the  sound ' SALIM , as attachment with sound  'INDER'  has
>> > rattled  both Aditya and Pawan , and their like minded friends, so,
>> > for me,  it is 'worthy of attention'. It is the  agenda of Hindutva to
>> > obfuscate any  possibility that brings these two sounds closer. The
>> > theatricality of the problem inevitably reflects that this sort of
>> > questioning too. The advantage with theatre is that we can create
>> > fictitious characters, like i did by reducing their age drastically. i
>> > beleive i have achieved the effect,
>> >
>> > yes sound , Partha,  has played the role of teacher in my skit, but as
>> > Lawrance Liang  wisely pointed out that identities on the net are too
>> > virtual , so it could be some other sound as well, nothing personal
>> > here, i have full respect to what u are saying, i dont deny the facts
>> > that what is happening in the colleges during ragging or fun etc...
>> >
>> > let us go back to theatre, see how bably the second scene was written
>> > by Pawan and Aditya
>> >
>> > love
>> > is
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Dear Inder,
>> >>
>> >> Would suggest you look closely at what you have written, and what it
>> >> says.
>> >>
>> >> In school (and in fact college as well) we'd pull pants down of our
>> >> friends
>> >> as a joke - and do note that I refer to friends of many different
>> >> religions.
>> >> Something I mentioned in a mail on this list is that I befriend people
>> >> because I like them and not because of their surname or religion.
>> >>
>> >> Just because you're circumcised (as are many of my friends) does not
>> >> mean
>> >> we're pulling the pants down to check.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure you're used to the great Indian habit of urinating in public.
>> >> I
>> >> certainly have neither the inclination or time to go around checking
>> >> who's
>> >> circumcised or not.
>> >>
>> >> And if being circumcised makes you conscious or denote meanings, then
>> >> I'd
>> >> suggest that you break free from that.
>> >>
>> >> Rgds, Partha
>> >> ....................................
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Pawan, and dear Aditya,
>> >>>
>> >>> In this very interesting chain of mails started by a profound post by
>> >>> Monica, I had reflected twice already. There is a huge contrast in the
>> >>> way I wrote these latest two, but, as I have marked earlier as well,
>> >>> both of you ignore the nuance.  The latest one was a sort of trap for
>> >>> both of you, but, like Arjuna, all you want to see  is the eye of the
>> >>> bird in the tree.
>> >>>
>> >>> My latest was a sample of how you write to others, how you provoke,
>> >>> abuse and spit on others. The words ' come on' come one, comrade, and
>> >>> Bharat Ratna to  both of you by Inder Salim as Prime Minister' it was
>> >>> all theatre,  but you could not see the purpose  hidden between the
>> >>> lines.  How naïve, that you educate me about the imperative of MP
>> >>> before  PM.  Anyway,  I am still at in mood to play it further, so
>> >>> watch out:
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, I wont take you again to that  ' performance and performativity'
>> >>> thing, of which I am myself a small student, but I will make a small
>> >>> skit, please join me.
>> >>>  (  Dear Partha, I need you for a small role, please ).
>> >>> …………………………………………………………
>> >>>
>> >>> Characters:
>> >>> 1. Aditya ( a young boy aged 11, in khakhi short pants and light blue
>> >>> shirt )
>> >>> 2. Pawan ( a young boy  aged 10, in kahahi short pants and light blue
>> >>> shrrt )
>> >>> 3. Inder salim ( a young boy aged 14, in khakhi short pants and light
>> >>> blue shrt )
>> >>> 4. Partha Dasgupta ( a teacher, in a simple pant and shirt )
>> >>>
>> >>>  ( scene on the stage: Aditya  has grabbed the collar of  Inder, while
>> >>> Pawan has tightly grabbed the belt of Inder's short pants . Inder has
>> >>> grabbed the collor of  both Aditya  and Pawan ). All the three  are in
>> >>> action.
>> >>>
>> >>> Some sticks, mask of Gandhi is lying on the floor,  besides some ink,
>> >>> paper,caps and beards and other costume as well. Text on the black
>> >>> board: What is socialism, Secularism and Democracy ? some blurred math
>> >>> sums underneath)
>> >>>
>> >>> Enter : Partha, ( the teacher):  Hey, you brats, what are you doing,
>> >>> leave his collar, enough of it. Inder, you are elder than both of
>> >>> these two idiots, I was not expecting you to behave like this. Enough,
>> >>> enough.  Now, tell me what happened.
>> >>>
>> >>> Aditya:  Inder was spitting at me.
>> >>>
>> >>> Pawan : yes, and he told Aditya, that Muslims are better than Hindus.
>> >>>
>> >>>  ( as expected, Inder did not tell Partha Sir, that both, Pawan and
>> >>> Aditya were trying to open his khaki short pants to see whether inder
>> >>> is circumcised or not)
>> >>>
>> >>> Inder Salim: Sir, both of them are not doing rehearsals seriously, I
>> >>> just wanted them…
>> >>>
>> >>> Partha:  Ok, OK, it was my mistake to leave you guys alone in this
>> >>> room. You were supposed to do the rehearsals for the show on friday.
>> >>>
>> >>> Inder Salim: But sir, this Gandhi mask is broken,
>> >>>
>> >>> Aditya, : I have one at my home. Shall I bring it tomorrow
>> >>>
>> >>> Partha : no, no, you have applied lot of saffron on his forehead, I
>> >>> have seen that. The time is short we have to manage without  Gandhi
>> >>> mask, so just tell me who was performing Gandhi ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Pawan: Me sir,
>> >>>
>> >>> Partha: so, what you do, just paste, a paper on you face, with text:
>> >>> Allah Iswar teray naam.  That will make you look Gandhi as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> Inder Salim: That is fine, sir
>> >>>
>> >>> Aditya : but sir, he was also saying Rama , Rama Rama  all the time,
>> >>> why not write that instead of Allah Ishwar
>> >>>
>> >>> Partha :  Shut up, you  ( bewakaoof ) idiot. Inder,  you just remember
>> >>> your lines  of Jinnah perfectly, and ensure that there are no fights.
>> >>> If you repeat it again, I will expel all the three of you from this
>> >>> play. Remember,  Aditya, you are playing Nathu Ram Godse, right,
>> >>>  oh, the time is too short and there are no student around to play
>> >>> other roles, so you have to rotate and play other roles too, quick,
>> >>> start, i am coming back
>> >>>
>> >>> Exit :  Partha, The three young student are looking at each other.
>> >>> Inder Salim is trying to fix the broken Gandhi mask, Pawan and Aditya
>> >>> are helping him.
>> >>>
>> >>> First scene ends.
>> >>> To be continued….
>> >>> (  Aditya and pawan are invited to write the second scene )
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > Shuddha,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sorry for the confusion. I used the word creep as in "project
>> >>> > creep",
>> >>> > etc. I was not calling anyone a "creep". I was talking about the
>> >>> > advance of fascism, which had been slow and steady for some time and
>> >>> > seems to be gathering momentum now, especially in light of the army
>> >>> > officer's involvement - which may be the tip of an iceberg. Hence
>> >>> > "thrust".
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I appreciate your concern for bringing back a semblance of normalcy
>> >>> > here, but I have a couple of things to say. I agree that other
>> >>> > political formations in India also have authoritarian tendencies,
>> >>> > possibly also fascist tendencies. But their followers are not or do
>> >>> > not seem to be intent on - and succeeding in - taking over this
>> >>> > space.
>> >>> > Secondly, I do think that the one we have on our hands here is the
>> >>> > most openly and determinedly fascist of them all. Thirdly, there is
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > difference between their ideology and the rest's, and at this time
>> >>> > at
>> >>> > least, the specific nature of their ideology makes them far more
>> >>> > dangerous than the rest.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I really do not see what purpose is served by calling fascism by
>> >>> > another name. It is, and will be, a rose. It is necessary to use
>> >>> > labels at times like this. If you do not, you will not know what
>> >>> > exactly it is that you are dealing with. These demarcations express
>> >>> > certain qualities that are unique to or predominant in a certain
>> >>> > constellation of theory/ies and practice/s, and thus set them apart
>> >>> > from other constellations. It is a matter of difference. A certain
>> >>> > color is called pink and another brick in the English language,
>> >>> > although they are not far from each other on the same small segment
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > the electromagnetic spectrum. I am sure other languages have a
>> >>> > different set of names for a different set of colors, i.e.,
>> >>> > different
>> >>> > points, or different more or less narrowly demarcated bands of the
>> >>> > spectrum.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I also appreciate your concern for open and free exchange of ideas.
>> >>> > But I am unable to resolve the contradiction between absolute
>> >>> > freedom
>> >>> > and the freedom for some to curb the freedom of others. However,
>> >>> > this
>> >>> > contradiction was resolved long ago by accepting - and inscribing in
>> >>> > the constitutions of various countries professing democracy - the
>> >>> > principle that there can be no absolute freedom, and it is necessary
>> >>> > to curb some freedoms of some people in order not to put others'
>> >>> > freedoms in jeopardy. Which freedoms are curbed for protecting which
>> >>> > other freedoms, is a decision made through power relations - whether
>> >>> > you believes power resides in class or some other social group, or
>> >>> > is
>> >>> > dispersed.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If we are to ensure absolute freedom in this space, we will need to
>> >>> > conceive it as one that lies outside power relations, which it can
>> >>> > never do. Though "virtual", It is very much part of the real world,
>> >>> > simply because each member is part of the real world, with a
>> >>> > distinct
>> >>> > subjectivity, and the real, physical infrastructure of this
>> >>> > "virtual"
>> >>> > space is also part of the real world (CSDS). As far as I know,
>> >>> > spaces
>> >>> > of discourse free of power relations have been conceived only as an
>> >>> > ideal types, not as a real possibility. If refraining from using the
>> >>> > word "fascist" helps us experiment with it in real life, I will be
>> >>> > happy to do so. In fact, I am going to stop using the word with this
>> >>> > message, and watch how things go.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > However, I urge you to remember something Inder has pointed out -
>> >>> > when
>> >>> > things get a little too messy, these people put on a pleasant,
>> >>> > smiling
>> >>> > mask and seek to divert others' attention to things that resonate
>> >>> > with
>> >>> > those others - say, the environment, or the Iraq war. The only thing
>> >>> > that changes is their tactic from blunt to subtle (hence more
>> >>> > insidious), namely dividing their opponents by seeming to play by
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > "rules".
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Best,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Tapas
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2008/11/14 Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>:
>> >>> >> Dear Tapas, Dear Inder, dear all,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I would strongly urge you and everyone to temper and moderate your
>> >>> >> language.
>> >>> >> Nothing is served by you or anyone calling anyone a 'fascist
>> >>> >> creep'.
>> >>> >> The
>> >>> >> point about abuse has been effectively made. Let's move on now.
>> >>> >> Please
>> >>> >> do
>> >>> >> not continue to exacerbate the situation by calling people
>> >>> >> fascists. No
>> >>> >> political formation in India today is free of authoritarian and
>> >>> >> fascist
>> >>> >> tendencies. And yes, I strongly believe that the only way to
>> >>> >> confront
>> >>> >> fascism, wherever it exists, is with an open democratic culture
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >> privileges dialogue and reason. We cannot use fascist methods to
>> >>> >> combat
>> >>> >> fascism, because then we become their mirrors and gradually we
>> >>> >> become
>> >>> >> exactly like them.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Please safeguard and protect the democratic nature of your own
>> >>> >> commitment to
>> >>> >> this space as a space of openness, dialogue and reason where all
>> >>> >> points
>> >>> >> of
>> >>> >> view are welcome and can be debated in an open way. Lets not gang
>> >>> >> up on
>> >>> >> anyone now, not even on those who may have ganged up on others
>> >>> >> before.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> regards
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Shuddha
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 14-Nov-08, at 10:45 AM, Pawan Durani wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 11/13/08, Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:<<<<<<<<<<<< in
>> >>> >> my
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> opinion - is that these members are (as we have stated recently)
>> >>> >> part
>> >>> >> of the
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> fascist creep we have seen in India, which is becoming a thrust
>> >>> >> with
>> >>> >> every
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> passing day.  >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Tapas,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Thank you for your wonderful statement, to which non of the member
>> >>> >> reacted.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Pawan
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Monica,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It is, of course, your prerogative to decide whether the likes of
>> >>> >> Pawan
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> and Aditya should be expelled or not. But I would like to repeat -
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> because I would request you to consider - a couple of things I have
>> >>> >> said
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> recently and had said two or three years ago (maybe earlier) when
>> >>> >> this
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> whole thing started with Vedavati (as far as I remember) throwing
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> cow slaughter issue out of nowhere, refused to stop repeating the
>> >>> >> same
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> "arguments" ad nauseum, and was soon joined by a few others in that
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> enterprise.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> After this had gone on for what then seemed like an eternity and
>> >>> >> now in
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> hindsight seems like a few minutes, I had said that the expulsion
>> >>> >> of
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> these people should be considered, because it was clear they had no
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> interest in rational critical debate and were determined to disrupt
>> >>> >> such
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> debates with their discourse of hate. As this list (in my
>> >>> >> understanding)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> had been set up precisely as a space for such debates, they had no
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> business to be here. I was told that reasoned argumentation was the
>> >>> >> only
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> possible response to whatever they had been doing, and coercive
>> >>> >> measures
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> like expulsion were not acceptable.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I had pointed out that the Nazis had used democracy to disrupt
>> >>> >> democracy
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> and communist parties had been taking part in elections and getting
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> elected in multiparty systems with the long-term goal of replacing
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> very system with dictatorship. In other words, there ought to be a
>> >>> >> limit
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> up to which such forces can be allowed to operate freely. If not,
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> freedom - for others - will become a casualty.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The situation escalated over the years. It is worse on this list
>> >>> >> today,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> but that should be the least of our concerns (or not). It is worse
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> globally and internally (in India) in terms of the economy as you
>> >>> >> have
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> noted, and is likely to deteriorate politically, again as you have
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> noted. I agree with you - if we go back to the Great Depression and
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> rise of fascists and Nazis, we will see why. And it's there that we
>> >>> >> come
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> back to the question of our list.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Let us pause for a moment here to think why Vedavati, Pawan,
>> >>> >> Aditya,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Chanchal, etc., have joined this list in the first place. Does
>> >>> >> their
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> discourse show any interest in history or reason or theories or
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> concepts? No. Do they expect those of us who engage them, to change
>> >>> >> our
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> minds? No. Then why are they here, and why do they continue to
>> >>> >> flood
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> list with their inanities and their hate and their spit? What do
>> >>> >> they
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> want to achieve? My answer is, to coerce us into submission, force
>> >>> >> some
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> of us to unsubscribe in disgust, and effectively take over the
>> >>> >> list.
>> >>> >> Why
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> do they spend so much time and energy on this? My answer is, they
>> >>> >> see
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> some value in it - they know that this list has earned respect as a
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> liberal/progressive forum hosting some high-quality discussions
>> >>> >> (along
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> with their venom) and they want to snuff it out for that very
>> >>> >> reason.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The question remains, why? The simple answer - in my opinion - is
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> these members are (as we have stated recently) part of the fascist
>> >>> >> creep
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> we have seen in India, which is becoming a thrust with every
>> >>> >> passing
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> day. If we did not see that in Babri, not even in Gujarat, or in
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> recent anti-Christian riots, not to speak of smaller riots and
>> >>> >> pogroms
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> during these years, we should perhaps see it in the revelation that
>> >>> >> some
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> army officers have been involved in terrorist activities. Some of
>> >>> >> us
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> will probably object to my characterization. For their benefit I am
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> quoting from the definition of "fascism" in the Collins Dictionary
>> >>> >> of
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Sociology.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> "... anti-intellectualism is a constituent element of the ideology
>> >>> >> ...
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The following are some of the main constituents in fascist writings
>> >>> >> and
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> actions: extreme racist nationalism linked with territorial
>> >>> >> expansion;
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> virulent anti-communism combined with intolerance of most other
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> political ideologies and independent working-class organizations;
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> open use and glorification of physical violence and terror against
>> >>> >> these
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> groups; a reliance on a mass party organized around a powerful
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> leadership, and once in power engaged in most areas of civil life
>> >>> >> and
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> depending on continual mass mobilization to sustain support for the
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> leadership; the glorification of militarism, the cult of the
>> >>> >> presumed
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> masculine virtues, with women defined mainly as mothers and
>> >>> >> supporters
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> of men; predominant support from the middle classes who are the
>> >>> >> main,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> though not exclusive, mass support."
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The question for us is, can we fight these forces with reason
>> >>> >> alone? My
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> answer is an emphatic no, on this list or outside it.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Tapas
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Monica Narula wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Dear All
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I think its rather cute the way dear everyone is asking for an
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> intervention from the admin - now increasingly feeling like a class
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> monitor!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The coming years are going to be a difficult ones. There is going
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> be a massive drop in employment opportunities, liquidity will fall,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> infrastructure will remain half-built etc. There will also be an
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> increasing shrillness of speech. This, I am guessing, will lead to
>> >>> >> an
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> aggressive acceleration in both inclusive and exclusive
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> authoritarianism. So the future trajectory of the language game and
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> the rhetorical quotient on the reader-list will be something that I
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> am a little ambivalent about.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I request list members to be aware that making charges without
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> substantial ground is more to do with incitement than to do with
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> discussion. It is odd that when the world is trying to come to term
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> with global seismic shocks that seem to come at all of us from all
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> directions, archaic accusations about the "foreign" seem to find
>> >>> >> some
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> votaries.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Let us think a little harder. The world is not legible. In an
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> increasingly blurring reality, understanding the grounds of
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> accusations and rhetorical posturing will be necessary. Let us
>> >>> >> think
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> how to deal with language, and what it says, in what can feel like
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> crumbling world, rather than merely becoming the dust that arises
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> from this process.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> best
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Monica
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> List Admin
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Monica Narula
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Sarai-CSDS
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> 29 Rajpur Road
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Delhi 110 054
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> www.sarai.net
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> _________________________________________
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Critiques & Collaborations
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> subscribe in the subject header.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> _________________________________________
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Critiques & Collaborations
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> subscribe in the subject header.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> _________________________________________
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Critiques & Collaborations
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
>> >>> >> subscribe
>> >>> >> in the subject header.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The Sarai Programme at CSDS
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Raqs Media Collective
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> shuddha at sarai.net
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> www.sarai.net
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> www.raqsmediacollective.net
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> > _________________________________________
>> >>> > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
>> >>> > Critiques & Collaborations
>> >>> > To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
>> >>> > subscribe in the subject header.
>> >>> > To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
>> >>> > List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> http://indersalim.livejournal.com
>> >>> _________________________________________
>> >>> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
>> >>> Critiques & Collaborations
>> >>> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
>> >>> subscribe in the subject header.
>> >>> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
>> >>> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Partha Dasgupta
>> >> +919811047132
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > http://indersalim.livejournal.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> http://indersalim.livejournal.com
>> _________________________________________
>> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
>> Critiques & Collaborations
>> To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
>> subscribe in the subject header.
>> To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
>> List archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>



-- 

http://indersalim.livejournal.com

More information about the reader-list mailing list