[Reader-list] ‘Terrorists’ died of gunshot wounds
Vivek Narayanan
vivek at sarai.net
Thu Oct 2 13:03:07 IST 2008
Nono, not at all-- as far as I am concerned, this is not enough personal
information. Pawan could you please explain to us how and in what
context you have come to see so many encounters first hand? Have I
missed some important biographical details about you? Please elaborate.
TaraPrakash wrote:
> Please keep such mails which are of the personal nature away from the list.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> To: "Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्" <mail at shivamvij.com>
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list]‘Terrorists’ died of gunshot wounds
>
>
>
>> Dear Shivam Vij Ji,
>> Eid Mubarak
>>
>> Since you seem to be interested in 'terrorism' and 'encounters', i would
>> you
>> to understand that even in self defense where the opponent is firing, the
>> shootings are not aimed at legs.
>>
>> I have seen many shootings and many encounters . However if you have been
>> told a different story by your employers or terrorist friends like Yasin
>> Malik, please do correct yourself.
>>
>> When someone aims a gun at you , you fire anywhere in self defense. And
>> thats a human psychology.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Pawan Durani
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
>> <mail at shivamvij.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Oh sorry! But it does not, then, analyse that if they were shot in the
>>> head and chest, it was not an encounter in which the criminal with a
>>> gun would be shot in the leg in self-defence.
>>> best
>>> shivam
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At times, these days people tend to get a verbal diarrhea of commenting
>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>> each post without reading it at length and clarity. Its very common.
>>>>
>>>> Kindly read carefully. Hope the story is still interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Love
>>>> Aditya Raj Kaul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/1/08, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that this story does not mention that the 'terrorists'
>>>>> were shot in the head.
>>>>> best
>>>>> shivam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
>>>>>
>>> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Terrorists' died of gunshot wounds
>>>>>> Rhythma Kaul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Hindustan Times
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Delhi, September 30, 2008
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Atif Ameen and Mohammad Sajid, the alleged terrorists who were
>>>>>> killed
>>>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>>>> the encounter at Batla House on September 19, died specifically of
>>>>>>
>>>>> fire-arm
>>>>>
>>>>>> injuries," said one of the forensic experts who did the autopsy at
>>>>>> Jai
>>>>>> Prakash Narayan Apex Trauma Centre at All India Institute of Medical
>>>>>> Sciences (AIIMS).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I can say with 100 per cent assurance that both the men weren't
>>>>>>
>>> engaged
>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>> any scuffle before their death. There were no scuffle marks, but
>>>>>> only
>>>>>>
>>>>> bullet
>>>>>
>>>>>> wounds on their bodies," he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Physiological evidence indicated Atif and Sajid were both in their
>>>>>>
>>> early
>>>
>>>>>> 20s, with Sajid being slightly younger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since there was no age-related query from the police, it has not
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> revealed in the autopsy report. "Still, we have collected samples,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>> if
>>>
>>>>>> the police ask us in future to ascertain their age, we can do it,"
>>>>>>
>>> said
>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> doctor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During the autopsy, bullets were found lodged inside the bodies of
>>>>>>
>>> both
>>>
>>>>> Atif
>>>>>
>>>>>> and Sajid. Atif's body had a total of 21 injuries spread across the
>>>>>>
>>> torso
>>>
>>>>>> and thighs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sajid's body had 13 injury marks, with most of the wounds located on
>>>>>>
>>> his
>>>
>>>>>> head and chest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One mark was on his right leg, which, the doctors say, could have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>>
>>>>> made
>>>>>
>>>>>> when a bullet grazed past his leg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When asked how many bullets were lodged inside the bodies, the
>>>>>> doctor
>>>>>>
>>>>> said
>>>>>
>>>>>> that it was impossible to come up with a number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "These days, the weapons have become very sophisticated. We get
>>>>>>
>>> frangible
>>>
>>>>>> bullets that explode inside the target, with one bullet making
>>>>>>
>>> multiple
>>>
>>>>>> wounds. We can tell you how many wounds were made by bullet
>>>>>> injuries.
>>>>>>
>>> How
>>>
>>>>>> many bullets were fired is for the ballistic experts to correlate
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> determine," he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The three-member forensic team worked overtime to submit the report
>>>>>>
>>>>> within
>>>>>
>>>>>> three days of the bodies being handed over to it on September 22.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The autopsy procedure unlike that for Inspector M.C. Sharma, who was
>>>>>>
>>> also
>>>
>>>>>> killed in the encounter was not done in-camera. "That's because the
>>>>>>
>>>>> police
>>>>>
>>>>>> didn't place any such request before us," said the doctor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for making the report public, the doctor said, "No one can have
>>>>>>
>>> access
>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> the autopsy report within 90 days, not even the family."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inspector Sharma's autopsy report was completed late on the night of
>>>>>> September 26 but has still not been handed over to his family.
>>>>>>
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