[Reader-list] HOW SECULAR IS INDIA TODAY?

[Tapas Ray]

I do not remember seeing any abusive language in Prabhakar's posts.
That he agrees ideologically with the really abusive ones should not
be reason enough to lump him with them. Incidentally, Chanchal is not
just abusive. She has even threatened physical violence against not
only "us" but also "our children". Is this going to be tolerated?
Please see below.

2008/10/17 chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>:

> We will wait for the time.. If not you, your children will surely have to answer to your anti-national concept of Secularism and anti-Hindutva... Because you are betraying the very character of this motherland - Hinduism....
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2008/10/18 Prabhakar Singh <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com>:
> Aarti has written without even reading my mails.I dare her to point out even one instance where I have used any abusive language so far.In her description she has been using only mild abuses by her standards and now we have to be prepared to tolerate her real hard abuses.If the Administrator/Moderator does not wish to take action against such people, he/she should be kind enough to delist me and save me from such abuses.We are respectable people not used to this kind of abuse and insult.
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Saturday, 18 October, 2008 2:37:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HOW SECULAR IS INDIA TODAY?
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> Dear Crybabies,
>
> This is fantastic. After two years of spewing disgusting vitriol at anyone
> who is not a right wing Hindu apologist, you now turn around and urge the
> moderator to intervene on your behalf! Why? Because Shuddha called Chanchal
> a 'moron'. 'Moron'  'fool' 'idiot' and 'nonsense' according to Prabhakar is
> "filthy language". I actually thought it so mild compared to the filth that
> routinely issues from the likes of Chanchal, Aditya, Vedavati, Prabhakar and
> radhukarajen (who has thankfully left us), that I really don't see why you
> are so upset. Perhaps because Shuddha is not trading in invective, he is
> simply calling Chanchal out on his ridiculous views.
>
> The trouble is you think that you have a divine right to say whatever you
> wish to the "psuedo-secularists" right? Because by in large we are
> well-mannered people, unwilling for the most part to indulge in
> invective-trading no matter how much we are provoked. We care a great deal
> about this list, about rational discussion and so on. So even though you
> routinely abuse everyone's intelligence, time, faith and beleifs in sexist,
> racist, misogynist prose, we solidier on. Trying to steer the conversation
> in other directions, knowing that your immaturity and stupidity should not
> be held against you. But sometimes everyone's patience runs out when
> confronted with evidence of such blatant ignorance at the service of
> prejudice that they are forced to react in exasperation. Thus Shuddha called
> Chanchal a moron when Chanchal made the astounding statement that Hindus do
> not have special personal laws when in fact the most rudimentary knowledge
> of Indian law would reveal that every "community" has separate personal
> laws. However in this case I think Shuddha is wrong.
>
> Here is a small sample of Chanchal's views on a variety of issues:
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> Chanchal on Muslim women:
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> "He..he.. does it matter... you marry four or as many as possible... four is
> from your own religion.. and the rest is that your Right hand possesses..."
>
> "You do not require rape in your community... there is freedom of having
> more than one wife.."
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> Chanchal on Hindu Women:
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> "This is the basic culture of Hindus... The events that you talk about
> (mistreatment of women) takes place with girls and women who have discarded
> their religion.. they want freedom like western girl and they are facing
> problems alike western girls...  I am very clear on a simple point - if a
> girl or woman knows to have respect and honor for herself, no Hindus will
> ever try to even look at her even
> in disguise - this is the true meaning of Satitva"
>
> Chanchal on Indian History:
>
> "They [Muslims] looted, massacred and raped Indians (Hindus) in the name of
> Infidels. Captured all our temples and palaces including Taj Mahal and
> declared that it is their property....
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> Chanchal on International relations:
>
> "The world knows that trucks of Women are exported by Pakistan to India (all
> HIV effected) for spreading AIDS in India."
>
> Chanchal on Art:
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> "I am sure, a person who paints his motherland nude, must have done much
> more nonsense to his mother and sister (though he may not be exposing it to
> the world)..."
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> Chanchal on Sex:
>
> "Sex is nothing but the power of nature to brood."
>
> Chanchal on Secularism:
>
> "Hinduism is the mother of this nation and this nation remains secular as
> long as Hindus are in majority."
> "Let India be a pure HIndu country again... For Muslims or Christians - all
> are safe in the hand of Hindus only..."
>
> Shuddha you are wrong to have called Chanchal a moron when it is obvious we
> are in the presence of a deeply learned person. I would request you to
> immediately apologise.
>
> Warmly
> Aarti
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> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Seems the SARAI Moderator WAKES UP only when some particular members are in
>> trouble in an argument and have no words left. This is most shocking on
>> part
>> of so called List Administrators..
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>> So called Freedom Lovers....Pathetic Liberals....in dreams of their own.
>>