[Reader-list] list regulation, Monika please save us
taraprakash
taraprakash at gmail.com
Sun Oct 19 23:23:31 IST 2008
Hi Monika and all. This may be getting worse from here. It doesn't take too
much to creat new e-mail accounts and sabotage the list. It will not be fun
if so called seculars and so called communals start remembering each others
mothers and sisters in a nasty way. All that can be done today without
revealing your true identity. Before things go out of hands further, I
propose that the membership to the group should be restricted to "by
invitation or introduction only." If the more capable people are out of
time, I can devote some time moderating this list.
And please remove this "real Unreal" thing from the list. My Hindi/Urdu is
much better than Real Unreal's, but I am not willing to translate the stuff
in the below mail. I am sure those who don't know Hindi/Urdu are not missing
anything at all by not being able to read the crap below.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Real Unreal" <hiddenbuthere at gmail.com>
To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] secular fascist is at work, proceed with caution.
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Real Unreal <hiddenbuthere at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> is aditya pandit poot kay lund pa abi dunda nahi pada hai
>> jawan hai, do teen dili ki bilayan jaab panja gardan pa maar dangai,
>> to bolna seekh jaya ga
>> vasay parveen tagodia say milanay to jagta hi hoga,
>> suna ha londoon ka bada shokeen hai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM, kirdar singh <kirdarsingh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Even if they converted people to Christianity they gave them
>>> education, jobs and dignity - it is far better than re-conversions at
>>> gun point in Orissa.
>>>
>>> You said: "I'm a proud Kashmiri Pandit. We don't have a caste system."
>>> -- isn't this statement they call an OXYMORON
>>>
>>> You also said: "We live happily" -- wow, then why are you (and your
>>> ilk) spreading so much unhappiness on this list. It certainly doesn't
>>> show your happiness. Please go be happy, and let us be happy. We also
>>> have to intentions to spoil your happiness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
>>> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Kirdar ji,
>>>>
>>>> Are you talking of those so called 'Christian Tribal' who were
>>>> converted by
>>>> Christian Missionaries in return for job, money and a lot more ? They
>>>> were
>>>> bought and converted. Isn't that so Mr. Kirdar Singh ? Or, you think
>>>> that is
>>>> legal bcoz they were Christian's and not Hindu's.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a proud Kashmiri Pandit. We don't have a caste system. We live
>>>> happily.
>>>>
>>>> Love
>>>> Aditya Raj Kaul
>>>>
>>>> On 10/18/08, kirdar singh <kirdarsingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my, my. You still believe in caste system! In that case, when you
>>>>> convert a Christian tribal in Orissa to Hinduism, which caste does he
>>>>> go to? Can he apply for Brahminship?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Prabhakar Singh
>>>>>
>>>>> <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Dear Kirdar Ji,
>>>>> > Thanks a lot for a very interesting,absorbing and enlightening
>>>>> > account
>>>>> about Pandits sent within no time.What I meant by "Pandit" was
>>>>> "Brahmin" :
>>>>> one of the four castes of Hindus.
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>> > Prabhakar
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> > From: kirdar singh <kirdarsingh at gmail.com>
>>>>> > To: Prabhakar Singh <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com>
>>>>> > Cc: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>; reader-list at sarai.net
>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, 18 October, 2008 5:34:43 AM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] secular fascist is at work, proceed with
>>>>> caution.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Prabhakar ji
>>>>> > Non-Hindus can be pundits too. See below:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The Oxford English Dictionary cites the first English Language use
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > the word "Pundit" as referring to an official of the Supreme Court
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > Colonial India who advised the English Judges on questions of Hindu
>>>>> > law. In Anglo-Indian use, "pundit" also referred to a native of
>>>>> > India
>>>>> > who was trained and employed by the British to survey inaccessible
>>>>> > regions beyond the British frontier. By extension, the word came to
>>>>> > refer to, "A learned expert or teacher"
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A pundit is someone who offers to mass-media his/her opinion or
>>>>> > commentary on a particular subject area (most typically political
>>>>> > analysis, the social sciences or sport), on which he/she is presumed
>>>>> > to be knowledgeable. The term has been increasingly applied to
>>>>> > popular
>>>>> > media personalities. In certain cases, it may be used in a
>>>>> > derogatory
>>>>> > manner as well.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The term originates from the Hindi term pandit, which in turn is
>>>>> > derived from Sanskrit pandita, learned, and is first found in
>>>>> > English
>>>>> > in 1672.[1] It refers to someone who is erudite in various subjects
>>>>> > and who conducts religious ceremonies and offers counsel to the king
>>>>> > or mayor.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Speculation exists that the term's contemporary use may have its
>>>>> > origins in a Yale University society known as "The Pundits" which,
>>>>> > founded in 1884, developed a reputation for including among its
>>>>> > members the school's most incisive and humorous critics of
>>>>> > contemporary society. The group's late-nineteenth and
>>>>> > early-twentieth
>>>>> > century focus on lampooning the social and political world were
>>>>> > well-documented in the university's yearbook and the Yale Daily
>>>>> > News,
>>>>> > the entries of which are considered among the first use of the term
>>>>> > "Pundit" to refer to a critic of or expert on contemporary
>>>>> > matters.[citation needed] Several members of the society have also
>>>>> > gone on to become leading political pundits, including Pulitzer
>>>>> > Prize-winning author and energy expert Daniel Yergin. Other notable
>>>>> > Yale Pundits include A. Whitney Griswold, Lewis H. Lapham and Joe
>>>>> > Lieberman.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In the English-speaking West, pundits write signed articles in print
>>>>> > media (blurbs included), and appear on radio, television, or the
>>>>> > internet with opinions on current events. Television pundits may
>>>>> > also
>>>>> > be referred to as talking heads.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Punditry has become a more popular vehicle in nightly newscasts on
>>>>> > American cable news networks. A rise of partisanship among popular
>>>>> > pundits began with Bill O'Reilly of Fox News Channel. His
>>>>> > opinion-oriented format led him to ratings success and has led
>>>>> > others,
>>>>> > including Lou Dobbs, Keith Olbermann, and Nancy Grace, to express
>>>>> > their opinions on matters on their own respective programs.[2]
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Internet authors trying to create a name for themselves by
>>>>> > non-traditional means, may refer to themselves as pundits, and in
>>>>> > fact
>>>>> > can be considered experts of their particular life experiences or
>>>>> > observations[3].
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Comedian Stephen Colbert satirizes punditry in his show, The Colbert
>>>>> > Report, most notably based on Bill O'Reilly but including others as
>>>>> > well.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The term pundit is also used to refer to sports experts.[4] Often, a
>>>>> > 'pundit' will be partnered alongside a commentator, who will
>>>>> > describe
>>>>> > the action while asking the pundit for analysis. Alternatively,
>>>>> > pundits may be asked for their opinions during breaks in the play.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This is a list of some well-known contemporary pundits:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * Australia
>>>>> > o Andrew Bolt
>>>>> > o Phil Cleary
>>>>> > o Germaine Greer
>>>>> > o John Laws
>>>>> > o Glenn Milne
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * Brazil
>>>>> > o Olavo de Carvalho
>>>>> > o Reinaldo Azevedo
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * Canada
>>>>> > o Michael Coren
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * Chile
>>>>> > o Hermógenes Pérez de Arce
>>>>> > o Gonzalo Rojas Sánchez
>>>>> > o Patricio Navia
>>>>> > o Miljenko R. Marinkovic
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * Hong Kong, China
>>>>> > o Ivan Choy
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * India
>>>>> > o Cho Ramaswamy
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * Spain
>>>>> > o Federico Jiménez Losantos
>>>>> > o Iñaki Gabilondo
>>>>> > o Luis del Olmo
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * United Kingdom
>>>>> > o David Aaronovitch
>>>>> > o Gary Lineker
>>>>> > o Matthew Le Tissier
>>>>> > o Tim Henman
>>>>> > o Andy Gray
>>>>> > o John Motson
>>>>> > o Martin Tyler
>>>>> > o Vanessa Feltz
>>>>> > o Germaine Greer
>>>>> > o Christopher Hitchens
>>>>> > o Peter Hitchens
>>>>> > o John McCririck
>>>>> > o George Monbiot
>>>>> > o Melanie Phillips
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * United States
>>>>> > o Glenn Beck
>>>>> > o Neal Boortz
>>>>> > o Tucker Carlson
>>>>> > o Stephen Colbert
>>>>> > o Alan Colmes
>>>>> > o Ann Coulter
>>>>> > o Lou Dobbs
>>>>> > o Roger Ebert
>>>>> > o Al Franken
>>>>> > o Nancy Grace
>>>>> > o Sean Hannity
>>>>> > o Christopher Hitchens
>>>>> > o Ezra Klein
>>>>> > o Rush Limbaugh
>>>>> > o Rachel Maddow
>>>>> > o Bill Maher
>>>>> > o Michelle Malkin
>>>>> > o Chris Matthews
>>>>> > o Keith Olbermann
>>>>> >o Bill O'Reilly
>>>>> > o Joe Scarborough
>>>>> > o Michael Savage
>>>>> > o Mark Steyn
>>>>> > o Jon Stewart
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sports Pundits
>>>>> > o Skip Bayless
>>>>> > o Mike Francesa
>>>>> > o Peter Gammons
>>>>> > o Mike Golic
>>>>> > o Mike Greenberg
>>>>> > o Jay Mariotti
>>>>> > o Woody Paige
>>>>> > o Jim Rome
>>>>> > o Chris Russo
>>>>> > o Stephen A. Smith
>>>>> > o Dick Vitale
>>>>> > o Michael Wilbon
>>>>> > o Tony Kornheiser
>>>>> > o Lou Holtz
>>>>> > o Keyman Ma
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In the second half of the 19th century, the term pundit was used to
>>>>> > denote native surveyors who explored regions to the north of India
>>>>> > for
>>>>> > the British.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > One of the greatest projects of nineteenth century geography was the
>>>>> > Great Trigonometric Survey of India. The English also wanted
>>>>> > geographical information on the lands further north. This was not
>>>>> > just
>>>>> > out of scientific curiosity: The Russians were expanding their
>>>>> > empire
>>>>> > into Central Asia, and the English feared that they might have set
>>>>> > their eyes on India. Thus, the Russians and the English both tried
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > extend their influence in Asia. Knowledge of geography of the region
>>>>> > was of course of utmost importance in this so-called 'Great Game'.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > However, in some regions these surveys seemed impossible. Some of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > Indian border countries, in particular Tibet, would not allow
>>>>> > westerners to enter their country, let alone a British surveying
>>>>> > team.
>>>>> > In the 1860s, Thomas G. Montgomerie, a captain in the survey,
>>>>> > realised
>>>>> > that the solution to this problem would be to train natives from
>>>>> > Indian border states such as Sikkim to be surveyors, and have them
>>>>> > explore the region. These would raise less suspicion than Europeans,
>>>>> > and might be able to make observations disguised as a trader or a
>>>>> > lama
>>>>> > (holy man). These native surveyors are called pundits.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A number of tricks were developed to enable the pundits to make
>>>>> > their
>>>>> > observations without being found out. They were trained to make
>>>>> > exactly 2,000 paces to the mile. To count them, they used what
>>>>> > looked
>>>>> > like a Buddhist rosary, called a mala, but instead of the usual 108
>>>>> > beads had 100, every tenth being slightly larger. Every 100 paces a
>>>>> > bead was dropped. A prayer wheel did not hold the usual Buddhist
>>>>> > prayer om mani padme hum, but maps and notes. Pundit Nain Singh
>>>>> > Rawat
>>>>> > also found that these could be used to ward off curious
>>>>> > co-travelers:
>>>>> > Each time someone came too near, he would start whirling the wheel
>>>>> > around and thus pretend to be in religious contemplation. Usually
>>>>> > this
>>>>> > would be enough to stop others from addressing him. Another way of
>>>>> > keeping their observation was to turn them into a poem, and recite
>>>>> > that during their travels.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The pundits were given extensive training in surveying: They learned
>>>>> > to use the sextant, determine height by measuring the temperature of
>>>>> > boiling water, and make astronomical observations. They also
>>>>> > received
>>>>> > medical training. Despite the precautions and tricks, some of them
>>>>> > were sent back, tortured or even executed. But with their travels
>>>>> > they
>>>>> > managed to map the Himalaya, Tibet and surrounding areas with
>>>>> > remarkable precision.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Pandits, or locals learned in the dharmasastra, were also employed
>>>>> > as
>>>>> > court advisors during the 18th and 19th Centuries. Initially,
>>>>> > British
>>>>> > judges had very little knowledge of Hindu customs and oral
>>>>> > traditions,
>>>>> > and they could seek information from them on particular questions.
>>>>> > The
>>>>> > Supreme Court of India had a law officer styled the Pundit of the
>>>>> > Supreme Court, who advised the English judges on points of Hindu
>>>>> > law.
>>>>> > The practice was abandoned by 1864, as judges had acquired some
>>>>> > experience in dealing with Hindu law, and applied the increasing
>>>>> > volume of case law that had developed. Further, the institution of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > High Courts, two years earlier, in 1862 further diminished their
>>>>> > official use.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Prabhakar Singh
>>>>> > <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> I am unable to understand how somebody can be a Pandit without
>>>>> >> being a
>>>>> Hindu.Pandit is a sub-set of the set called Hindu.Such people are only
>>>>> confusing others in the web of their words.This appears to be only
>>>>> singular
>>>>> and exceptional case.There are not many such confused hypocrates who
>>>>> are
>>>>> ashamed of their own religion or their roots or origin.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> >> From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> To: reader-list at sarai.net
>>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, 18 October, 2008 5:26:37 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] secular fascist is at work, proceed with
>>>>> caution.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dear Bhat sahib
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> briefly, about me, what you are saying , i have never said.
>>>>> >> about kashmir, just tell me where i wrote that 'Islamic rule in
>>>>> >> place
>>>>> >> democratic rule of laws'.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> now i quote you again,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> stopping by immediate action of lawkeepers , by arrest,
>>>>> >> investigation,
>>>>> >> prosecution and exemplary punishment, the reaction is bound to be
>>>>> >> violent.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> if we apply the same thinking in kashmir or elsewhere, then you
>>>>> >> justify violence. i dont support this thinking. that is normal. i
>>>>> >> dont qualify fascist for holding such a opinion.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> about old mosque in ayodhya. tell me, which school you belong ? one
>>>>> >> which motivates/employess the poor man to pull old mosques ( or
>>>>> >> temples, churches even ) or the other where one voluntarily joins
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> demolition ( be it Ayodhya or kashmir or orrisa )
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> this question i asked because you feel hurt, as a hindu, but the
>>>>> >> other
>>>>> >> religions which are less accomodative in comparision to those.
>>>>> >> Strange that you believe India belongs to Hindus only.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> in some other mail, our Dear Friend Mr. Kshmendra made it clear
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> his identity as Hindu is ' unfortunate' in comparision to his
>>>>> >> Kashmiri pandit identity. He believes that being Hindu is only his
>>>>> >> recorded identity, not his Dharmic. Mr. Lalit has already replied
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> in his own way, but dont you see the point....... and in Indian,
>>>>> >> these ( kshmendra like ) identities are in millions, because
>>>>> >> Hinduism
>>>>> >> can notbe defined as such.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hindutva is a poltical system which is meant to block the thinking
>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >> ordinary Indians. Why dont you see the game ?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> warmly
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:50 PM, rajendra bhat
>>>>> >> <raja_starkglass at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>> Inder salim
>>>>> >>> With lots of love, you belong to a school of secularism with
>>>>> fascist undertones, indersalim, if you mean what you express in the
>>>>> thoughts
>>>>> that you express with lots of love, the agenda of spreading hate in
>>>>> the
>>>>> express words of love is in obivious stark contrast when you talk of
>>>>> kashmir, its citizens. You seem to expect the quiet tolerate citizens
>>>>> of
>>>>> hindu community to be quiet when you propagate secession of my nation
>>>>> with
>>>>> your agenda of the faith to bring in an islamic rule in the place of
>>>>> democratic rule of laws. This is not acceptable to me, I disagree with
>>>>> you
>>>>> when you project your thoughts in support of separatists like yasin
>>>>> malik,
>>>>> "prof" geelani and syed geelanis who work within the system or outside
>>>>> to
>>>>> bring azadi to kashmir just because their faith is majority in the
>>>>> area they
>>>>> represent now. Kashmir and its citizens have to accept the rule of
>>>>> laws as
>>>>> agreed by the accession of its ruler, even though some of them are
>>>>> these
>>>>> rotten
>>>>> >>> citizens of one faith, manage to silence many of the same faith.,
>>>>> >>> used the masjids giving calls, azaan, to clean out hindus by
>>>>> violence..Let it be borne in mind that in the continent, 457 kingdoms
>>>>> that
>>>>> were there at the time of freedom, all except those ruled by islamic
>>>>> kings
>>>>> like hyderabad nizam, and islamic subjects like kasmiri muslims did
>>>>> not
>>>>> accept the "nation" and force has to be used to keep the nation as a
>>>>> nation,
>>>>> that too inspite of accommodative nature of all other citizens for the
>>>>> muslim.With a population of 40 percent hindus in Kashmir, it was that
>>>>> small
>>>>> margin that made the faith followers to "cleanse" the fellow citizens
>>>>> out of
>>>>> Kasmir by violence which is now not acceptable. Then it was neglected
>>>>> and
>>>>> tolerated, not now. Then the game of divisive politics, divided the
>>>>> society
>>>>> of hindus on their inherent defect, castes, so if a pandit was killed
>>>>> other
>>>>> hindus "tolerated", now a hindu is hindu not divided with caste,
>>>>> better
>>>>> united. So now the new game of "secularist" hindu fuelled by left
>>>>> idealogy.?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Being hindu, we respect all faiths and its followers and are
>>>>> >>> tolerent
>>>>> of their customs and cultures. But that is not license in free India
>>>>> to bash
>>>>> the faith of hindu way of life for trp in tv channels, nor it can be
>>>>> taken
>>>>> for granted that you play one caste against the other and create vote
>>>>> banks
>>>>> and talk of "secuarlism" with commune vote banks. Hindus have
>>>>> understood how
>>>>> if they are divided the 2 percent community can take over the rule of
>>>>> the
>>>>> nation. After seeing what has happened around us, a "devout" Bush
>>>>> attacking
>>>>> the divided society with search for imaginary weapons of mass
>>>>> destruction,
>>>>> sending in his troops to war against terror, but terror continues as
>>>>> the
>>>>> each sect of the faith wants to control the other sects. Muslim
>>>>> followers of
>>>>> faith are today divided lot with over a dozen sects fighting with each
>>>>> other
>>>>> so that they are like cats fighting for butter and a monkey is
>>>>> offering them
>>>>> to distribute the butter equally for them.!
>>>>> >>> As a hindu we have adopted and adapted the good of other faith in
>>>>> >>> our
>>>>> way of life, but that to say that only one faith is saviour to mankind
>>>>> is
>>>>> unacceptable and in democratic life of the nation, faith is very
>>>>> personal,
>>>>> it is rule of laws which has to manage the nation and its citizens.It
>>>>> is
>>>>> often attributed that hindus hate muslims and others of different
>>>>> faith,
>>>>> which is just a propaganda, we dislike those who use faith to garner
>>>>> votes
>>>>> from vote banks, even if they are hindus, like a yadav who caters to
>>>>> his
>>>>> commune vote bank, or a jat who talks for only jats, or a reddy or
>>>>> gowda who
>>>>> indulges in nepotism of his "caste." In democratic life, every citizen
>>>>> must
>>>>> get good of governance irrespective of faith, region and castes. If a
>>>>> Sacchar reports only about muslims that they are backward in society,
>>>>> what
>>>>> wrong other citizens have done who are below the poverty line in the
>>>>> nation,
>>>>> are they also not backward in social , educational, health care
>>>>> facilities.?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Now about the history of dilapidated structure, is it not true
>>>>> >>> that
>>>>> courts had stopped the prayers at this dilapidated structure in the
>>>>> british
>>>>> rule because the title of the land was defective.? Is it not true that
>>>>> a
>>>>> temple in the land, disputed land was destroyed for this structure to
>>>>> be
>>>>> built by a tyrant king babur.? When we hindus have accepted all
>>>>> muslims in
>>>>> India, even after dividing India for two nations of the faith, we
>>>>> remained
>>>>> secular to accommodate the citizens of other faiths.?So, if only
>>>>> courts had
>>>>> disposed of the case then nation would not have been in turmoil and
>>>>> the
>>>>> leaders did not take any steps to expedite the disposal of the case is
>>>>> a
>>>>> true fact. Whatever be the decision, at that stage, in early free
>>>>> India,
>>>>> judiciary commanded more respect than now. But the game was of
>>>>> appeasement,
>>>>> not only of muslims but also of hindu castes.!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Violent methods by anyone can not be tolarated, be it from any
>>>>> faith, for any reason, but the truth is system likes to breed the
>>>>> violence,
>>>>> the goons are helped to be MLAs and MPs.., by all political parties as
>>>>> a to
>>>>> cut metal one needs only metal.? It is not the intention to justify
>>>>> any
>>>>> violence by anyone with action and reaction theories, but the fact is
>>>>> when
>>>>> system fails to stop the "action" as in Godhra where karsevaks are
>>>>> burnt, or
>>>>> as in Khandamal, where 83 year old swami and his 67 year old followers
>>>>> are
>>>>> shot dead, stopping by immediate action of lawkeepers , by arrest,
>>>>> investigation, prosecution and exemplary punishment, the reaction is
>>>>> bound
>>>>> to be violent.
>>>>> >>> Look at the out bursts of some in the list, so called from very
>>>>> secularist schools, and the headmistress of that school, very
>>>>> civilised.?
>>>>> The list administrator himself has no tolerence for the thoughts of
>>>>> others,
>>>>> as he is showing with very uncouth words for such thoughts in most
>>>>> uncivilised words.? Unless we have a open mind to all thoughts, we are
>>>>> brain
>>>>> inactive with set thoughts. As to us, we have seen the thoughts from
>>>>> all
>>>>> school of thoughts, being hindu, we accept atheist, or rational
>>>>> thoughts
>>>>> also, we do not ask them to be quiet, or to shut up.We accept all
>>>>> faithsand
>>>>> accept good in those faiths, we do not call the thoughts moronic, but
>>>>> ofcourse we express our opinion on these thoughts, be it the head
>>>>> mistress
>>>>> or the administator. This reply I had resrved for posting on next
>>>>> week, but
>>>>> the hilarious post about internet love cleared my thoughts.And I
>>>>> prefer to
>>>>> post only one post per week, but the ripartee and abuse that was on
>>>>> the list
>>>>> made one
>>>>> >>> think, is this freedom of expression gagged.?
>>>>> >>>
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