[Reader-list] When will Muslims join the mainstream?

[Pawan Durani]

Dear Shuddha ,

Thank you for your mail . I do nothing but apprecaite the way you mix words
which suit your ideology.

In this case I must say you do a great dis service to SARAI by manufacturing
stories and mixing words.

Please check up the prood you have provided yourself. In this case it must
be noted of how you have changed the subject line while refering to
"Kashmiri Pandits" while as when anyone would go theorugh your "proof" of
news links , the stories do mention that reservations are there , but it
also does mention that the reservation is for Kashmiri Migrants.

I know you have a specific knowledge about Kashmir and Kashmiris . What i
did not know that you were unaware that there were many caste and groups of
people who are registered as Migrants from Kashmir. And you must be aware of
how many Kashmiri Muslims take advantage of this whether they are genuinely
victimes of terrorism or not.

Also if at all in some specific course some reservation is metioned , that
does not make a rule to generalise it.

Mr Shuddha , it needs a brave and a person of character to admit the wrong.
Unfortunately both you and Shivam do not fit in any of these two.

Now Shuddha , ypou owe an apology to come clean of what made you come to
support Shivam or is it that you both are supporters of separatist
Kashmiris  and hence common friends.

Some Mausere Bhai .......



Pawan Durani




On 10/24/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
>
>  Pawan,
>
>
> In your post to Shivam you said -
>
>
>    I am just asking you to clarify whether your details about 5%
> reservation to Kashmiri pandits in Maharshtra
>
> or any state is true.
>
>
> Here are four references, with appropriate citations (below) on the subject
> of 'quotas' for admission of Kashmiri Pandit migrant candidates to
> educational institutions in different states (Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh
> and Karnataka).
>
>
> I see nothing wrong with them, just as I see nothing wrong with affirmative
> action initiatives in educational institutions for dalit, tribal and OBC
> students. Whosoever suffers social disabilities should be entitled to
> affirmative action in a caring society. I have nothing against Kashmiri
> Pandit migrants being entitled to affirmative action, for the same reason
> that i have nothing against Bangladeshi Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist migrants
> to Delhi or any other part of India being entitled (as I hope they will be
> one day) to affirmative action.
>
>
> Whosoever suffers due to migration, or social or political reasons, or
> whosoever's migration occurs because of suffering should be entitled to care
> and hospitality by the host society. I believe this to be perfectly
> reasonable and humane.
>
>
> Coming to details, which you demand, you will notice that there is a
> specific mention of upto 5% (reservation) for Kashmiri Pandit students in
> non technical courses in Karnataka.
>
>
> I do hope that now you will consider offering the list, and Shivam Vij an
> apology for suggesting that he has been biased against Kashmiri Pandits
> while bringing up the subject of 'reservations' and acted as a 'compulsive
> liar'. Clearly, as the sources below indicate, he has not acted as a
> compulsive liar.  In this case, it turns out that you have a bias against
> looking for available sources that go against your self imposed image of
> Kashmiri Pandits being the eternal and only victims in our midst. Their
> sufferings do not diminish simply because they are not the only ones to
> suffer. Please avoid making charges of this nature in the future. You do
> your community and its cause a great deal of disservice by these outbursts.
> Please check that you are not making a fool of yourself all over again
> before the next time you hit send after writing a post addressed to this
> listl. You do this way too often and I really feel bad for you. I would
> heartily recommend a degree of restraint to you.
>
>
> I also hope that Aditya Raj Kaul, whose political agenda in Delhi
> University Student politics has featured a heavy accent against the issue of
> 'reservations' will consider carefully the fact that his argument against
> reservations can also extend to an argument against reservations for
> Kashmiri Pandit students.
>
>
> Perhaps, for the sake of consistency, he could either think of making a
> case against reservations for Kashmiri pandit migrant students within
> appropriate forums, such as 'Roots in Kashmir', or on the other hand, turn
> his considerable activist experience in a generally 'pro-reservation'
> direction, or at least refrain from commenting on the issue of reservations
> altogether. Either way, it is never too late to change one's mind.
>
>
> Of course, he need not, because continued hypocrisy (which works well in
> tandem with a loqacious self promotional agenda) is a perfectly valid
> political option, especially given the currently prevailing political
> culture in our glorious republic.
>
>
> Shuddha
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> 1. Reservation for Kashmiri Pandit Migrants in Maharashtra Educational
> Institutions
>
>
> a) Extract from Report on Internal Displacement.org
>
> <
> http://www.internal-displacement.org/idmc/website/countries.nsf/(httpEnvelopes)/88FD05B74D23F8ED802570B8005A700A?OpenDocument
> >
>
>
> "Maharashtra Government has made reservation of seats for children of
> citizens displaced from J&K due to terrorist violence and children of
> officers belonging to I.A.S., I.P.S. and other officers and staff belonging
> to military and paramilitary forces transferred to J&K to deal with
> terrorist activities in the State, in technical institutions in the filed
> [sic] of Engineering, Pharmacy, Architecture, etc., both at the degree and
> diploma levels. For this purpose, every diploma/degree level institution
> (whether Government aided or not) is permitted to create one extra seat for
> each course over and above the normal capacity of the institution and these
> seats cannot be allotted to students of any other category. However, no
> relaxation in eligibility conditions as prescribed by the concerned
> authority has been made. The domicile restriction has been removed for
> Kashmiri migrant students. Admission in general educational courses is also
> being provided subject to normal eligibility conditions being fulfilled."
>
>
> b) Extract on reservations for Kashmiri Pandits in Maharashtra from story
> in Frontline <
> http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1923/stories/20021122005301800.htm>
>
>
> The Distress of the Displaced
>
> by Naunidhi Kaur
>
> in New Delhi
>
> Frontline, Volume 19 - Issue 23, November 09 - 22 2002
>
>
> "Now, the Kashmiri Pandit organisations have unabashedly hitched on to the
> Shiv Sena bandwagon. They remain grateful to Sena chief Bal Thackeray for
> helping the community out. While in power, the Shiv Sena had instituted
> quotas for Kashmiri Pandits in colleges in Maharashtra. Pandit organisations
> in Delhi are particularly sore about the Bharatiya Janata Party not doing
> anything to revive the registration process for migrant identity cards."
>
>
> 2.  Reservation for Kashmiri Pandit Migrants in Madhya Pradesh Educational
> Institutions
>
>
>  Extract from Report on Madhya Pradesh on Internal Displacement.org
>
> <
> http://www.internal-displacement.org/idmc/website/countries.nsf/(httpEnvelopes)/88FD05B74D23F8ED802570B8005A700A?OpenDocument
> >
>
>
> "One seat has been reserved for Kashmiri migrants in each technical
> institution viz. Engineering, Polytechnics and [Industrial Training
> Institutes]. For general education there is no restriction in the State."
>
>
> 3.  Reservation for Kashmiri Pandit Migrants in Karnataka Educational
> Institutions
>
>
> Extract from Report in the Hindu, December 20, 2004
>
> <http://www.hindu.com/2004/12/20/stories/2004122003900400.htm>
>
>
> Quota for Kashmiri Pandits in professional colleges
>
> The Hindu, Monday, December 20, 2004
>
>
>  "BANGALORE, DEC. 19. One seat each in all technical and professional
> colleges in the State will be reserved for Kashmiri migrant students, the
> Chief Minister, N. Dharam Singh, announced here on Sunday.
>
>
> In non-technical programmes such as B.A./B.Com./B.Sc./BCA/Computer Science,
> up to five per cent of seats over and above the approved intake in colleges
> will be given to wards of Kashmiri migrants, Mr. Singh said.
>
>
> He was speaking at the Global Meet on "Future of Kashmiri Pandits"
> organised by the All India Kashmiri Samaj, jointly with the Kashmiri Hindu
> Samithi, Karnataka.
>
>
> The seats in colleges offered to Kashmiris that remain vacant will be
> filled by other candidates, he added. Mr. Singh said that the Government
> would give Rs. 25 lakhs towards the construction of Kashmir Bhavan in the
> city."
>
>
> 4. Reflections on Reservations for Kashmiri Pandits by a Kashmiri Pandit
>
>
> Search Kashmir Blog
>
> <http://searchkashmir.blogspot.com/2008/07/quota-and-kashmiri-pandits.html
> >
>
>
> Quota and Kashmiri Pandits
>
>
> "Why can't we see things for what they are? We got quota in Maharashtra
> because it had a Hindu government and they tried to cash in on the Hindu
> vote by making it a 'Hindi cause'. Its all politics, nothing more, we were
> exploited, made a pawn in the great game and nothing more.
>
>
> They had no love lost for Kashmiri Pandits. Now we have Gujarat government
> giving quota. I hate Mr. Modi; he is the other side of the same communal
> coin. We were the poster boys of consequences of Islamic terror. In return,
> we got 'freebies' and we made the most of our situations. We don't have to
> be apologetic about it. A lot of good did come out of these freebies.
> However, at the same time we don't have to be thankful for it. They had
> their political goals and we had a life to look forward to. I did my B.E.
> due to quota in Maharashtra but I don't care much about this fact because I
> know that the system abused me and in return, I abused it back. Quota in our
> case is nothing but abuse of system. Quality and ability are superseded by
> need and requirement. How long do we need it? Do we stop when we can afford
> 3-4 lakhs to get a seat? Do you think we would be able to stop? Won't we
> think of that 3-4 lakhs as a saving and instead use it for some other so
> called 'worthy cause' like Weddings etc. How do you think KPs in Jammu could
> afford to build houses in Jammu? Should we be apologetic for that?
>
>
> Well, I am not. I did what I had to do and I did it my way. If anything, I
> am concerned about the price we are paying for having a quota system in the
> first place. The quality always pays the price for quantity. I know I would
> have performed better had I known that there is no quota to get me through
> the day. But I am hopelessly optimistic that each would find his own way.
>
>
> Quota isn't a simple issue (nothing related to Kashmir is simple), I still
> remember a Young K.P guy who came to teach us chemistry in school during
> 12th. He was a bright fellow but I could see that he was dejected with life.
> He gave his 12th living in a camp. He himself told me once that he could not
> be a B.E. because during his time they did not have a quota system and the
> no. of seats were too few. So he did B.sc and took up teaching. Therefore,
> quota or rather the absence of quota had an immitigable effect on his life.
>
>
> Bottom-line: Make the most of what life has to offer you. Quota does not
> necessary mean that you are bad but don't let it ruin your real education.
> We can spend all our life getting educated. Don't make yourself cannon
> fodder for greater political causes.
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