[Reader-list] one more Kashmiri Pundit email & I'll commit suicid

Mon Oct 27 21:34:26 IST 2008

Dear Kirdar

i guess you could have conveyed  your point without this HEADER, even.

I guess, you know that Kashmiri pandit as community  are not
represented by these couple of friends on the List. They are young and
angry about the way Kashmiri Pandits had to flee from Kashmir, and had
to endure the unwanted migration after  hundreds of killings of  their
near and dear ones, besides loss of property and dignity. And, i guess
it will be another unnecessary provocation if the migration is seen as
Jagmohan's conspiracy.

 yes, These ( KP friends ) simply want to speak all the time about
that only, as and when KASHMIR or anything which is linked to  Indian
or Global Terrorism. They simply want an all time attention like a
small baby. That is the only way  I  can understand their presence on
the list.

 If we divide the KP and non-KP in kashmir, Kashmiri pandits once used
to laugh at anything called BJP or Sang parivar. Only less shallow
minded amongst KP's would try to represent Hindutva in Kashmir.  Once
KP's intellectual community was proudly Left oriented, and had
produced wonderful  poets and writers in Kashmir. One of the towering
poets and intellectual was Dina Nath Nadim.   Pandits used to vote
Congress party,as and when they got a chance to vote in Kashmir.
Needless to say, that KP is/was a Nationalist by birth.....etc... you
know, their Nehru and all that...

Well, 1990 changed a lot.  with the killing of Leftist poet  Ranjoor,
the moderate voices were silenced or were scared to speak. The exodus
was part of the design, and  it was inevitable that the migration of
KP's resulted into their change of hearts. BJP was waiting for them in
Jammu, and certainly exploited their situation to  the best of their
needs. We know, how it happens, for example, USA state secretary would
find it necessary to pass a comment during Hazratbal crises....there
are lot of axes around which grind, and grind they do...

 The other side of coin is that Hindu population of Jammu never found
this 'HIndu' word significant enough for this running  kashmiri
population for some political or economic merger in jammu..    Given
the scenario, the Jammu (  Hindu/Dogra )  politics never allowed KP
employees even to join the Govt offices in Jammu ( that is within the
sate ).....

Why i am saying here all this is because KP community is well aware
about the masks on the  Hindutva (BJP etc ) face. i believe...

 we know how 'the present' is conducive to political opportunism, and
KPs are not the exception, right now they want benefits for their well
being, and do not mind if they are seen as Right winger or whatever.
That is how i see it.

The problem emerges, when only these young KP boys speak HIs-Masters
voice, and believe this is intellectual freedom. And that is unlikely,
since a genuine  intellectual voice has to rise, all and above, first
to save her/his skin from this community infection, and then utter the
vision, if any...

 I dont know if it is true, but the following is attributed to Dr.
Iqbal ( great poet ) :  'you are likely to nurse your own mother first
if the other's mother is suffering next to her. This was, in response
to a question that why he is too concerned about Muslims only.
Whether it is true or not, but logically we all can fall into this
trap of community feeling, which often happens at the cost of ethics
and other  such universal  human values.

 having said that, i believe, there are other voices within the KP as
well, which may not be seen here on the list, but are, for example.
Dr. Hangloo, whom Murtaza Shibli of Kashmir Affairs admires a lot.

with love and regards

inder salim

P.S. just recent action against Death Sentence in colloboration with
Amenesty International India at Indian Gate , i was asked repeatedly
by journalists that why we should not hang a rapist or a murderer or a
terrorist. In Tilak Nagar police station, SHO/ACP too asked the same
question.
The answer is that, the whole lot of violence is full of a strange
complexity........ And, here,  needless to say that Bush is thousand
times more a terrorist than a small time terrorist, but we dont have a
mechanism to hang a Bush or a Blair, but we have all the anger, and
law/police even, against this small time  terrorist.  Haven't we seen
a constable beating a small time thief mercilessly in the public
domain, which is again the law.  The question is how draw a
comparative chart between a small time thief and a big but clever
clandestine, who can kill, loot and rape and even get away with all
that crime. Imagine,the industrialists who manufactures fake medicines
in india and have all the decent life available to them. Imagine, that
all the bourgeoisie ( not anti-left ) is part of that big nexus of IWC
( integrated world capitalism ) which is giving a hell lot of
indifference to the millions of underprivileged on this earth. How to
speak on that ?

Back again; these young KP guys are basically too focused on these
small time thieves and dont want,  even to touch, that big big
gangsters.  For example, Mrs Indira Gandhi during Emergency was
nothing but a mafia Don, but how to talk about that....

How to talk about Advani-Modi-Atal who have a cruel desire to come to
power through their Hindutva agenda. These KP guys need to know that
they are but a small straw in their game plan,

but who knows, may one of them will be a  Mantri ( minsiters ) after
couple of years... so

without malice towards one and all.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Tapas
>
> With what you have written, what is the difference between you and such voices who unthinkingly brand as "Anti-Hindu" or "Pseudo-secular" or "Islamists" etc those people who might talk about issues of Humanism?
>
> Talking about Kashmiri Pandit issues does not automatically make a person a follower of the Hindutva agenda.
>
> You might have a better appreciation of the "angst" shown on this List by KPs if instead of that idiotic term of 'migration' you see the reality of the Internal Displacement that took place.
>
> You might better understand the frustrations when you recognise that a Unique Human Socio/Cultural/Religious Sub-Set, removed from the Land where it should exist for it's continuation and evolvement, is on the verge of extinction because of the Internal Displacemernt from it's nurturing environment.
>
> I am always amazed that people who can be highly sensitive to various Displacements (Tribal, Forest etc) and sensitive to to sub-sets of species becoming extinct (Turtles, Deer, Tigers etc) have a completely different (contradictory and hypocritical) attitude if the 'on verge of extinction' Human Socio/Cultural/Religious Sub-Set of Kashmiri Pandits is brought to their notice.
>
> I will be the first one to admit that the issues concerning Kashmiri Pandits are not presented in the most appealing manner. That does not take away from the seriousness of the issue.
>
> Kshmendra
>
> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] one more Kashmiri Pundit email & I'll commit suicide
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 11:42 PM
>
> Kirdar,
>
> These people are simply using the migration issue to foist the Hindutva
> agenda on this list and to wreck it if they can't. So, I am afraid your
> logic will have no effect.
>
> People who do this sort of thing, are not the kind this list is meant
> for. If they don't shape up, they will have to ship out - or be shipped
> out - eventually.
>
> Tapas
>
>
> Kirdar wrote:
>> One more Kashmiri Pundit email on this list and I will commit suicide,
> honestly.
>> There are millions of people on this earth who have been tortured and
>> displaced and raped and massacred by someone or the other, but life
>> moves on, yaar.
>>
>> I want to ask you folks: Because of your displacement from Kashmir,
>> are you in physical pain right now? Are you starving? Are you living
>> on footpaths? Are you living in flooded waters? Are you dying of
>> cancer? Are you taunted and abused on the streets? Are your present
>> houses being burnt down? Are you being persecuted at the moment as you
>> live in the rest of India? I doubt if the answer to any of the above
>> is yes. Then why have you become a pain for us on Sarai?
>>
>> Some months ago, someone on Sarai posted a report about a conference
>> or convention of Kashmiri Pundits which happened in Delhi in Chinmaya
>> mission or something. It was reported that each Kashmiri Pundit came
>> to attend the convention in such large limousines that there was no
>> space left for people to walk. So, what are we complaining about?
>>
>> Please leave this list and start a special one for KPs alone. At the
>> moment, neither you nor us are able to convince each other - nor are
>> we making any headway in any discussion. We can't also discuss any
>> other sane topic on this list.
>>
>> So, please get the hell out of here.
>>
>> (I know my email will lead to further abusing of sanity. Somebody
>> please write my obituary on Sarai)
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